Pastor Hosting ‘International Burn A Quran Day’: ‘We Have Nothing Against Muslims’
Pastor Hosting ‘International Burn A Quran Day’: ‘We Have Nothing Against Muslims’
On September 11, 2010, the extremist evangelical Dove World Church — whose pastor, Terry Jones, has written a book called “Islam Is Of The Devil” — plans to host “International Burn A Quran Day,” when it will burn Muslims’ sacred text and encourage others across the world to do so as well. Churchmember Wayne Sapp has even posted an instructional video that explains how and why to burn the Islamic text.
CNN host Rick Sanchez invited Jones on his show yesterday to ask him about the inflammatory action. When Sanchez pressed Jones about why he would try to anger the world’s Muslims by burning their sacred text, the evangelical pastor replied, “Well, for one thing, to us, the book is not sacred,” provoking laughter from the CNN host.
Jones later went on to explain, “What we are also doing by the burning of the Quran, we’re saying stop, stop to Islam, stop to Islamic law, stop to brutality. We have nothing against Muslims, they are welcome in our country.” When Sanchez asked him how he would feel if Muslims burned the Bible, Jones admitted he wouldn’t like it but emphasized that it was his “right” to burn the Islamic text because “we live in America”:
SANCHEZ: Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world?
JONES: I think there are 1.5 billion.
SANCHEZ: Yeah. I ask you that because that’s a very big number. Why would you want to do this to 1.5 billion people by burning their most sacred book? That’s crazy.
JONES: Well, for one thing, to us, the book is not sacred.
SANCHEZ: But it is to them, it’s sacred to them. [...]
JONES: What we’re also doing by the burning of the Quran on 9/11 is we’re saying stop. Stop to Islam. Stop to Islamic law. Stop to brutality. We have nothing against Muslims, they are welcome in our country. [...]
SANCHEZ: How would you feel if a Muslim said to you, what you just said to them? I have no problem with you Mr. Christian, you’re welcome in my country, but I’m burning your Bible.
JONES: I would not like it. But it’s our right. We live in America!
Watch it:
The National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), the nation’s largest body of evangelicals, put out a statement yesterday condemning Dove World’s actions. Quoting Thessalonians, NAE President Leith Anderson invoked the Bible’s teachings that Christians should “always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.”
The Dove World Church has made a name for itself by engaging in a host of attention-seeking tactics to preach their hate. In the past, the congregation compelled children to wear t-shirts that bore the slogan “Islam is of the devil.” Earlier this year, they held an unsuccessful campaign to stop the election of Gainesville’s first openly gay mayor by posting a “No homo mayor” sign. Despite their failure to stop the mayor’s election, they plan to hold a protest on the steps of City Hall in August.
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Ah, burning books – more classy behavior from the religious fundies. And the right wing is looking for Nazis among Progressives??? Mirrors are useful things …
July 30th, 2010 at 11:44 am“Religion is the opiate of the masses” No it seems more like the meth of the morons.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:45 amWhat a nutjob. Organized religion is a bane on society, just look at the catholics and the damage they have done throughout history. They commit to oldest crimes in the newest ways.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:49 amSo in retaliation, and there will be retaliation, does someone burn his church?? His house?? Him??
This is EXACTLY the kind of ultra-bigotry that will be the ruin of our civilization… moronic people will be the end of us.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:49 amAnd if the Muslims had a “Burn the bible day. We have nothing against Christians” would the Pastor understand?
July 30th, 2010 at 11:49 amAll done in the name of the Dove…
“That’s how I like my irony served my friend.” ~~ CJ Cregg
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and Jesus wept.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:51 amNot a problem as long as we include burning bibles. All religious books are just stories written by humans.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:52 am“We have nothing against Muslims, they are welcome in our country.”
Right. I’m sure if they were asked, Hitler and the Nazi’s would say they had “nothing against” Jews, either.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:52 ambut would liberals be up in arms if a group of Muslims wanted to burn the Bible?
Nor would we oppose the burning of comic books, if some nut wanted to waste his money.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:55 amSome Americans seem to forget that just because you have the right to be a jack@$$ doesn’t mean you should exercise that right.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:55 amThe fact that CNN gave this hatemongering lunatic a microphone highlights one of the worst features of what passes for television news. The obvious intent is for viewers to scorn him which puts CNN on approximately the same level as Jerry Springer. If I want to hear the ravings of a cretin I can go to any public space near a government building in any large city. Giving an attention whore a press opportunity just spawns more of the same.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:55 amI happened to catch this interview on CNN last night. This guy is as looney as they get. If there was ever somebody that needs to be in a straight jacket this is the guy.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:56 amFull blown nut case!
My right to throw a punch Ends where your nose begins.
And a studied Christian should know that destroying what’s is loved and sacred (like Christ perhaps) only makes the will of the followers stronger.
A good Christian realizes they are here to do good not harm. NGO convince people that their PEACEFUL way of life is the best path to follow…
July 30th, 2010 at 11:56 am“And if the Muslims had a “Burn the bible day. We have nothing against Christians” would the Pastor understand?”
Do these listen and hear what they say
any REAL american would be disgusted by the lack of 1st amendment
July 30th, 2010 at 11:57 amBurn the quran AND the bible.
It’s all superstitious fantasy anyway.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:58 amQuestonEverything says “I am against he buring of any book, especially one held so important by so many; but would liberals be up in arms if a group of Muslims wanted to burn the Bible?”
You’re an id**t to see this any any lib vs conserv light
July 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pmFrom Dove World Church’s website:
About Us
Our purpose and our goal here at Dove World Outreach Center is to get people to stand up. We, as the church, need to stand up for righteousness and for the truth of the Bible. That truth is not only love, healing and prosperity, but it is also about getting up. It is not about being entertained on Sunday morning, but about being equipped to do the work of the service: motivating, equipping to get up, organize, and show the world that there is a true and living church.
Any religion which would profess anything other than this truth is of the devil. This is why we also take a stand against Islam, which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God, therefore taking away the saving power of Jesus Christ and leading people straight to Hell.
So what these idiots are saying is Jesus Christ and all other Jews are of the Devil because they were/are Jewish?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:02 pmhttp://www.doveworld.org/contact
July 30th, 2010 at 12:03 pmQuestioningEverything says:
would liberals be up in arms if a group of Muslims wanted to burn the Bible?
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If I had a bible and somebody — anybody — wanted one to burn, it’d by my pleasure to make the donation.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:03 pmWhen he has his Quran burning party and someone retaliates violently because of him, will he take full responsibility.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pmCats r Flyfishn (Just Another Day on Earth) says:
Not a problem as long as we include burning bibles.
i’m in.
if there are any of the book burnings anywhere close, i’d be there with any bible i could find, and the book of mormon, etc.
hope that idea catches on…
July 30th, 2010 at 12:06 pmChristians should “always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.”
I luvs me some weasel words.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:07 pmMore hateful intolerance from the do unto others crowd.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pmShould be burning the PNAC Statement of Principles instead.
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They that start by burning books will end by burning men. (Heinrich Heine)
July 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm“Dove World Church”
Am I the only one who find the name of this “church” funny on multiple levels?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:11 pmWhen our chickens come home to roost, again, this clown, I hope, has a front row seat.
AIO
July 30th, 2010 at 12:11 pmAnd “Right-Wing Empathy™” rears its ugly head once again.
(Note “Right-Wing Empathy” is a trademarked brand name registered to the Republican National Committee. Although its list of ingredients is a closely-guarded secret, Right-Wing Empathy™ contains no natural Empathy or Empathy derivatives. It is effectively used as an Empathy substitute for patients whose immune system, values system or stock portfolio cannot tolerate genuine Empathy. Ask your doctor or stockbroker if Right-Wing Empathy™ is “Right” for you!)
July 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pmChristians, Muslims…they’re all crazy and infected by nutty dogma.
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pmPS I know some fitting Music that they can play at this little “rally”.
You may know it from Indiana Jones and the last Crusade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOQJ-myRDko
July 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pmYeah, good idea, you go with that and tell us how it turns out.
I just hate religion and conservatives, it’s a bad mixture…
…when you have bigotry, hate, ignorance and religion…
…nothing good can come from that mixture.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pmJesusChrist!! We live in America – we can do whatever the hell we want! There is something terribly wrong with the man and those who would do as he says. Twisted. Inflaming passions against us. His is not free speech — this is an abuse of free speech.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pmThis guy us as dumb as out cult trolls.
so why dont we have a Bible vs Koran burning make it a equal opportunity burning.
one wonders if this is not one of the cult members handlers/enablers,,, not smart enough to be one of there masters.
scuzzy and the other cult troll members could you shard a little light on this.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pm“Dove World Church”
More like Batshit World Church.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pmAbout the other person in this interview. Rick Sanchez, you sure have come a long way from a time when a large portion of people in South Florida would not watch the best newscast at 6pm on WSVN because you were to co-anchor.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pm“The National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), the nation’s largest body of evangelicals, put out a statement yesterday condemning Dove World’s actions. Quoting Thessalonians, NAE President Leith Anderson invoked the Bible’s teachings that Christians should “always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.””
July 30th, 2010 at 12:19 pmJesus said, “Love your enemies.” Jesus said, “Love your neighbors as you love yourself.” Terry Jones said, “Screw Jesus, who does he think he is, God?”
July 30th, 2010 at 12:19 pmPersonally, i prefer a strong barbeque sauce when grilling a side of Revised Standard.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:20 pmProbably not.
But let’s be fair; liberals are not exactly “up in arms” about this group’s tone-deaf plans, either. At least, not liberals posting comments here. I don’t know about elsewhere; maybe you’ve seen mass protests of “liberals” literally “up in arms” about this ridiculous stunt.
If you know of such public displays of liberal outrage, by all means, share them with us. Otherwise, your rhetorical question strikes me as disingenuous and flaccid.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pmbitblt says:
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pmOh BTW, aren’t the communist officially guided by an atheistic ideology?
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Some are, some are not. This question cannot be answered in a more complete way. It has no common context. It would be like asking, are janitors atheists, or are grocery clerks atheists? Or, even, what does blue taste like? There is no commonality for either concept beyond their mutual existence in the world. Communism is an economic (and political) perspective. Atheism deals directly with theology, namely the belief that there is no empirical evidence for God. While Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist communism typically precludes religious organizations from legal existence, it is more for political purposes than theological ones. Churches have power over the people. The two major communistic governments of the world sought to remove power from all but the state. Hence the eradication of religious groups. Keep in mind however that the Greek Orthodox church continued to exist in some form during the entire reign of Soviet Communism, and although it was repressed so does Buddhism in China. Plus in Stalinist Russia, atheists and Christians were executed or tortured in the gulags, usually for being political rivals of Stalin or his regime.
He left Monty Python to be the pastor there?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pmReligion – the source of hatred and war since the beginning of mankind.
Burning sacred books of others? What a great idea?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pmI happen to think the Bible is a manmade book of superstitions, but I would never even think of burning it, or the Torah, or the Talmud, or the Quran either.
Sick. Twisted. Perversion of what christianity is supposed to stand for.
Questioning Everything is a holy roller.
Don’t believe his protestations to the contrary.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm… my daughter always has to remind me not to become what i hate…
damn it’s hard…
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July 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pmOh, I see I forgot to sum up my point…
which was… to characterize those posting here as being “up in arms” is misreading ridicule as outrage, and for what appear to be self-serving purposes.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pmWhty isn’t the Dove Rev. Dr. CEO Big Shot out mixing with the poor and the homeless, in the way that Jesus always did?
These phonies shamelessly dropping the name of Jesus are such a bunch of money-grubbing scum and trash.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pmEvangelicalism is a diseased and twisted cult that has far too much power in this nation.
It’s way past time to defang that monster.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:24 pmFuzzyslippers™ Just another Mongrel says:
And just what is CNN’s agenda in giving this MONGOLOID a forum? What reaction are they attempting to provoke, do they seriously believe that Jones represents anything more than a fringe group?
you do have a point there, aphro… give ya that one…
the rest was unnecessary and untrue… but you know that…
July 30th, 2010 at 12:25 pmPastor Hosting ‘International Burn A Quran Day’: ‘We Have Nothing Against Muslims’
July 30th, 2010 at 12:25 pm–
Then why are you burning their holy book? I’d hate to see what you’d do if you did hold a grudge against Muslims, you prick.
Anti-Defamation League Comes Out Against Ground Zero Mosque
“Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong,” the statement reads.
well this would/should speak out loudly for this.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pmWe sure know how to increase the number of our enemies.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pmJONES: I would not like it. But it’s our right. We live in America!
Then why make it an International Burn a Quran Day? He should leave his hatred inside of America’s borders.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:28 pmThese troglodytes give religion a bad name….if they are indicative of what faith is, I’m going to investigate Wicca.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pmA year or so back some high profile atheist jackass thought it would be funny to flush a quran he had ripped down the toilet and brag about it online.
It wasn’t funny then or now.
FTR while he had many supporters in the atheist community he also had many detractors.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm“I would not like it. But it’s our right. We live in America!”
Yes, you do have the right to be a bigoted, hateful, insulting, thoughtless jackass. But just because you can, doesn’t mean that you should.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pmSome people I have found are utter and complete loons. They claim to be a religous person, advocate burning a religous document(just because it isn’t theirs) and then say we don’t hate Muslims. You hate what you do not care nor deign to understand.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:30 pmKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
July 30th, 2010 at 12:31 pmWe sure know how to increase the number of our enemies.
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It’s amazing isn’t it? The right wing is the first to complain about Islamic extremists and yet they see no problem with pissing off the moderate, non-violent ones.
Fact.
If Jesus DID exist, the USA wouldn’t exist for another 2,700 years.
Burning holy books 2,700 years later in his name shames his existence.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pmyour not a monotheist if you believe in an omnipotent devil.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:34 pmI wish I could get my dog to sing.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pmWhich holy book would jesus burn?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:36 pmKeep you door locked, Jones.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility your church could see someone walk in some Sunday with a big surprise for you & the congregation.
Fear mongering idiot.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pmQE says:
No matter how reprehensible, such an act would be protected by the First Amendment. That protection, however, says nothing about the stupidity of religious zealots whose actions throughout history have led to hundreds of years of war (even Christian against Christian), the razing of cities, the eradication of cultures, starvation, pestilence, rapes, torturings, molestations, and needless sadism in the name of the One whom we are supposed to be worshipping and following its commands to be good to each other.
Sick, I tell you, sick.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pmThis is precisely why I stopped going to church.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:38 pm“It’s amazing isn’t it? The right wing is the first to complain about Islamic extremists and yet they see no problem with pissing off the moderate, non-violent ones.”
exactly
It seems the world is going in two directions those who want to treat Muslims like Gods and those who want to treat them like Devils.
Mean while those of us with brains enough to see they are people and should be treated like people are getting f@cked.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:38 pmMy dogs sing each time the ambulances pass by.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:41 pmSarah Palin and the Dove retards are just as nasty and vile as the Al-Qaeda crowd.
Thankfully, the evangelicals are still somewhat restrained by law in this nation.
Otherwise, the situation would become as grim as it currently is in Miuslim theocracies.
Palin and her co-religionists want a theocracy, and they will not stop until they have shoved one down our throats.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:43 pmAnd enough about these f#cking stupid posts about how msulim women can’t sing and all muslim men find women singing to be offensive.
Here’s footage of Muslim women singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMjeU2P0864
July 30th, 2010 at 12:43 pmcd (temp spokesman for satan) says:
“It’s amazing isn’t it? The right wing is the first to complain about Islamic extremists and yet they see no problem with pissing off the moderate, non-violent ones.”
exactly
It seems the world is going in two directions those who want to treat Muslims like Gods and those who want to treat them like Devils.
Mean while those of us with brains enough to see they are people and should be treated like people are getting f@cked.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:43 pm–
Bingo. Wahabi Islam and conservative fundamentalist Christianity are easily two of the most evil interpretations of religion ever devised and it seems like the two only exist to oppress others. Even as an atheist, even though my views on religion aren’t exactly what one could consider positive, I’m all for freedom of religion (and freedom from religion) so these extremists just disgust me.
I don’t encourage my Wife to sing.
Ever.
If you heard her sing, you’d completely understand. ;>)
July 30th, 2010 at 12:45 pmPilotShark says:
Maybe we can throw copies of the bible, the Quran, the Torah, and the Bagvhad-Ghita on the fire simultaneously and see which one floats above the fire. Then we would all be oblighed to worship the diety represented by that text, no?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:45 pmThe evangelicals wildly cheered on the invasion of Iraq and all the horrors it wrought.
The evangelicals are vile hypocrites.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:45 pmblogbob says:
July 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pmMaybe we can throw copies of the bible, the Quran, the Torah, and the Bagvhad-Ghita on the fire simultaneously and see which one floats above the fire. Then we would all be oblighed to worship the diety represented by that text, no?
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Pshaw, we all know the Voluspa is the one true religious text. Praise be to Odin!
evangenital says:
Yes, because the million or so people killed during George The Chimp bush’s War of choice to steal oil were all Brown People, not Whites.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pmThey call themselves an Outreach Center? They should call it “We-will-burn-your-sacred-texts-say-you’re-the-devil-and poke-you-with-a-stick” Center.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:49 pmDang, Rev Jones, that’s an excellent stratergery. Give the anti-Western, anti-Christianist element in Islam free propaganda; hell, let’s videotape it and send it to them – nah, let’s stream it live on the intertubes, huh?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:51 pmThe “outreach” of the Dove bunch is similar to Larry Craig’s “outreach.”
Many of these clergy use their churches as a private sexual preserve.
There are so mighty horny reverends these days.
Praise Jesus!
July 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pmbizzarobrain says:
I remember a Mad Magazine satire of the movie, “Dirty Harry,” back in the 70s, in which the lampooned Harry asks the sicko, “How can you do something so irreligious [to kill people for no reason]?” The Sicko replies, “Actually, I’m quite religious; I worship Kayu, the Norse god of senseless brutality.” Harry replies, “Why don’t you just come over to our side and worship Seymour, the Norse god of malicious mischief?”
Seems the devoutly religious have lost their way when it comes to the Golden Rule.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pmDoes this so called Pastor even realize we have many Christians living in Muslim countries?
Will he take responsibility for their deaths if mayhem ensues?
I didn’t think so…
July 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pmDoes Terry Jones shave his pubic hair?
July 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pmThat’s why no one under 40 has heard of the Beatles. Those burnings work so well.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:57 pmZimzone says:
Of course not, don’t you remember? Evertything that happens is part of god’s plan, therefore if christians in Muslim countries get killed, God must have been mad at them! And if we burn Qurans, God must have neant for it to happen! >>SNARK!
July 30th, 2010 at 12:58 pmblogbob says:
I remember a Mad Magazine satire of the movie, “Dirty Harry,” back in the 70s, in which the lampooned Harry asks the sicko, “How can you do something so irreligious [to kill people for no reason]?” The Sicko replies, “Actually, I’m quite religious; I worship Kayu, the Norse god of senseless brutality.” Harry replies, “Why don’t you just come over to our side and worship Seymour, the Norse god of malicious mischief?”
Seems the devoutly religious have lost their way when it comes to the Golden Rule.
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Heh. Good old Mad, sadly the magazines aren’t as funny as they used to be. The humor has definitely been dumbed down.
And agreed. You can’t just demand courtesy and respect from one another if you treat each other like garbage. Or, for that matter, claim the other person of another faith (especially when they’re moderates) is into murder, rape, theft, eating children, etc. Or demand that they should be hunted down, imprisoned, tortured, and/or killed or insist that we should burn their holy books or nuke their holy sites. All the while maintaining they still deserve eternal hellfire after they’re dead. Talk about repulsive.
July 30th, 2010 at 12:59 pmBackup @ 93: whoa, that’s heavy, and likely to cause some exploding heads amongst the faithful…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:00 pmlingus sounds like another iteration of the odom koldy set.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:03 pm… and yet I’M goign to hell for wanting to read it along side it’s sister books the Bible and the Tohrah as a matter of historical and cultural study.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:03 pmGo figure.
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for a Troll-Free America™ says:
While you’re at it, ralphie, please ask your ‘friend’ if he can cite ONE example of ‘libruls’ staging a mass Bible burning demonstration…
Just ONE…
Or for that matter… ANYONE… staging a Bible burning demonstration…
Hmmmmm… mebbe we should also ask him which groups from history are notorious for burning books…
QE… you still here?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:06 pmblogbob says:
PilotShark says:
This guy us as dumb as out cult trolls.
so why dont we have a Bible vs Koran burning make it a equal opportunity burning.
Maybe we can throw copies of the bible, the Quran, the Torah, and the Bagvhad-Ghita on the fire simultaneously and see which one floats above the fire. Then we would all be oblighed to worship the diety represented by that text, no?
i think you are on to something here, throw in all of the different books and lets see which one does not burn up and then we will all know which one is the real one.
my money is on NONE would survive the fire.
just hope satin has no mercy on this ass holes soul or any of the right side.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:06 pmbackup says:
I was under the impression that concept – free will, or volition, was at the center of Christianity… you have the choice to believe, or not to believe, but it’s your choice – free will… you choose to have faith.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:08 pm“This is precisely why I stopped going to church.”
This man no more represents Christianity than Karl Marx represets humanism.
Even the NAE has regected his nazi-esque activities.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:10 pm@98. The Communist Chinese come to mind as far as book burning. This planned book burning is just as wrong and just as stupid.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:10 pmLooks like the Westboro Baptist Church is getting some competition.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:11 pmPolicyNorth says:
Actually… I’d rephrase that, just a little.
It’s my understanding that both the Bible and the Koran use the Torah for their foundations.
From our good friends at Wiki…
It is also my understanding that all three religions claim the same lineage of prophets, going back to Abraham… where they differ is on the subject matter of Christ, himself…
Jews think he’s a nobody…
Mooooooooslims say, “Yeah, he’s a prophet, but just one of many…”
And Christians claim “He’s Da Man… Da Son O’ God! ‘N Da Only One!”
Doesn’t seem worth dying over, let alone fighting over…
But that’s just me…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:16 pmIt’d be more accurate to say the Bible and Koran are the endlessly bickering offspring of the Torah…
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We seem to finally have some common ground with a couple of our trolls!
July 30th, 2010 at 1:19 pmQuestioningEverything says:
And those were… big stacks of just Bibles?
And who else might burn books?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:19 pmThe Cunning-Lingus-Pee5-Clee says:
You’re voting me down? Have you ever seen a singing muslim girl on “Glee”? No. Why? Because “Glee” is the most PC show in the history of television and they don’t want to offend the terrorists, that’s why!
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I’ve never seen a singing Sharron Angle or a singing Sarah Palin (or Michelle Bachmann, for that matter) on “Glee” (whatever that is) either; Is that their effort to not upset our domestic right wingnut terrorists?
Probably not.
Nevertheless, your post is currently number one in the ‘five dumbest posts of the day’ category. Good luck.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:20 pmThere are no actual high schoolers acting on Glee either. Moron. They must be forbidden to sing just like Muslim women right?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pmQuestioningEverything says:
Indeed… a good question to ask Pastor Jones…
Now about those horrific lib’rul book burnings… seeing as you’re busy w/ Teh Google machine… find one yet?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pm“They hate us for our freedoms”.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:23 pmI’m all for burning Qurans, if we burn an equal number of Bibles, and need the heat to stay warm.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:24 pmTerry Jones words and address should be sent to every mosque in the country.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:25 pmWould burning a bible stop Catholic priests from molesting altar boys?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:27 pmIt’s only 55 degrees here, I could use a small bonfire to warm me up.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:28 pmJustADumbFireman says:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:29 pm“They hate us for our freedoms”.
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If that were true and the Islamic extremists hated countries with lots of freedom, the Netherlands would be friggin’ dust.
The communist Chinese burned thousands of Bibles at night time rally for Chairman Mau’s birthday party in Peking. There wasn’t a peep of protest from the liberals.
funny was this like his 25th birthday? 85th birthday?
and how would you know if this was true? i mean no link or any other prove.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:29 pmSounds like the cunning linguist might have been getting rammed after mass… prolly just a couple of years ago..
July 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pmMarthaLingus-CleePeeV says:
The communist Chinese burned thousands of Bibles at night time rally for Chairman Mau’s birthday party in Peking. There wasn’t a peep of protest from the liberals.
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Got a link for that one, right? Right.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pmFrom CNN, Anne Rice leaves Christianity:
She ’said Wednesday that she refuses to be “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist,” “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”
Rice wrote, “For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian … It’s simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”’
July 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pmVote down, flag, wonder if the Chinese broadcast their Bible-burning as broadly as the Dove World Church, and move on…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:33 pmDid I say country? Jones’ info should be sent to every mosque in the world. If terrorist are looking for somebody to attack why not provide them a target?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:34 pmI am in favor of International Burn a Racist Day.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:34 pmNow a troll wants is pretending to believe in global warming. He thinks we’re as dumb as his peer group.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:35 pmThe teatard has a real knack for the obvious. Duh.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pmIs it my imagination, or are the trolls getting more stupid?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pm“JustADumbFireman says:
‘They hate us for our freedoms’.
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If that were true and the Islamic extremists hated countries with lots of freedom, the Netherlands would be friggin’ dust.”
DumbFireman was being ironic. With his usual subtlety and finesse.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pmDid backup get name-jacked?
July 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pm@130
Cult troll spam bot member, who has been threw the brainwashing school of the programmers.
VD, RfS
same sock same smell.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:38 pmI don’t see any protests around here. If the guy wants to burn religious books then it’s his problem what the followers do to him not mine.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:38 pmJustADumbFireman says:
“JustADumbFireman says:
‘They hate us for our freedoms’.
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If that were true and the Islamic extremists hated countries with lots of freedom, the Netherlands would be friggin’ dust.”
DumbFireman was being ironic. With his usual subtlety and finesse.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm–
I know…I’m just saying that I’m tired of that Reich-wing talking point.
Lingus-Clee says:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:42 pmDefinition of a liberal: Stooge who supports red chinese burning of Bibles but protests American’s right to burn terrorist handbook.
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Def. of a conservative: Pathetic shithead who has spent more time bashing people over the head with their Bible then they have spent reading it (yet some of them feel the need to remove the liberal parts and re-write it with a conservative political bias…bye bye Jesus) and thinks religious freedom is for conservative Christians only.
mary lacewing says:
Is it my imagination, or are the trolls getting more stupid?
No, it’s just that Lingus-Clee is taking stupid to a whole new level.
The other are just plain ignorant bigoted morons, Lingus is beyond stupid.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:44 pmVote down, flag, remark that there seems to be exactly one news article about Bible-burning in China and it was circulated two months after the incident so this wasn’t exactly top-of-the-chart stuff, and move on.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:45 pmmary lacewing says:
Is it my imagination, or are the trolls getting more stupid?
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It’s not your imagination. But then “Lingus-Clee” was the same when he was Pee5, when he was The Montana Colonel’s Bi-son, Turdbull Rand, Jared Graceworthy, and Martha V. Stupid. The trend continues.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:47 pmThe Unhealthy Motivations of conservatives
By Curtis Francy Pants
In general, low self-esteem and a lack of self-love are the basis for the ideology of conservatives
conservatives are those who would use government to reduce the freedoms of some people to provide benefits for others. conservatives argue for jeffersonian equality for all people, but neither is possible. Other than identical twins, all people are genetically different, and without exception, each has unique life experiences that are interpreted differently. We are necessarily and naturally unequal in a worldly sense. (If “all men are created equal” in a Godly sense, nothing more needs to be done to ensure it.) conservatives, fascists, communists, and statists seek similar means to the same end. They want control of an expansive, intrusive government using taxation, regulation, and takeover of private property and businesses to achieve an earthly equality — an equality that is unnatural, unhealthy, and unattainable. This irrational political ideology is rooted in psychological shortcomings.
The U.S. Constitution correctly identifies the purpose of government as protecting the freedoms of its people. Being free is the natural state of all lifeforms. Soldiers risk their lives and die fighting for freedom…not equality. The Statue of Liberty welcomes those “yearning to breathe free.”
Having an internalized sense of being less than others drives a desire for equality. The conservatives theocrats internal motivation is: “If we are all the same, I can’t be less.” From a practical perspective, making people or situations equal involves punishing the successful; which can be a welcome expression of jealous anger for those with low self-esteem.
Having low self-esteem makes freedom something to fear. Freedom means being free to succeed or fail. For those with a low sense of self, the expectation is that one’s failure is inevitable. Freedom is not desirable under those conditions.
conservatives personal problems become a societal problem when conservatives try to address them by requiring changes to the lives of others. They seek a government with extensive power and reach that can limit freedoms and penalize success so that we seem to be more equal. It’s as if I were to address a problem of poor posture by requiring everyone else to slouch. The adequacy of self-love or self-esteem one has is not determined by comparison to others. It is not measured by net worth, which government can adjust. Whether one has healthy levels of self-love and self-esteem is determined by personal physiology and psychology. No matter how much government can disrupt the lives of its citizens, it cannot make anyone love or esteem themselves more or make anyone happy.
What conservatives really need — greater self-esteem and self-love — government is completely powerless to provide.
Given their motivations, statements, and actions, conservative politicians and their supporters can be understood through awareness of the common characteristics of those with a low sense of self.
Low Sense of Self Characteristics
Feelings About Self
* Has a general sense of unhappiness, depression, unease, malaise
* Feels a victim, largely powerless
* Fears looking foolish and is unable to laugh at self
* Afraid of forming own opinion and having it challenged
* Takes disagreements as personal affronts, seeks revenge
* Prone to rapid and sudden anger or sadness
* Seeks to suppress “bad” emotions; afraid they may become all-consuming
Thoughts about Self
* Tends towards negative attitude and pessimism
* Lacks confidence in self
* Rigid
* Blind to unpleasant realities, delusional
* Over-dependence on people or things
* Inability to accept criticism
Presenting Self to Others
* Secretive
* Exaggerates, pretends, and lies to conceal insecurity
* Arrogant and boastful (intended to appear self-confident) or extremely shy (to avoid inspection)
* Cool, detached, aloof (intended to appear “in control”)
* Uses language for its emotive value to persuade others
* Seeks first for others to connect with him/her emotionally
* Denies mistakes and blames others when things for which he/she is responsible go badly
* Takes credit for others’ achievements
* Irrational (psychology trumps philosophy)
* Breaks agreements, violates professed standards, hypocritical
* Performs poorly in pressure situations
Perception of Others
* Projects own inadequacies and motives onto others
* Sees others as impotent victims
* Jealous and envious of others, especially those perceived as having a high sense of self
* Fear of or hostility towards others, blaming others for own inner state
Relationships with Others
* Drawn to others with a low sense of self
* Has difficulty loving others
* Seeks control and power over others
* Outwardly aggressive or passively aggressive
* Discards people when they become a personal liability
Efforts at Self-Improvement
* Does not seek self-improvement, as it requires acknowledging one is currently lacking
* Lacks self-discipline
* Closed-minded, unwilling to accept new ideas
* Tends to have addictions — they serve as personal distractions
Our sense of self-value is rooted in our childhood, nurtured by the love and affirmation we received from our parental figures. Consider the nation’s leading conservative, newt gingrich, and how he embodies nearly all the characteristics of a person with a low sense of self. rush limbaugh, another leading conservative, had three failed marriages, and apparently was a drug addicr.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:48 pmGingrich childhood included an early abandonment by his father; abandonment by his stepfather; abandonment by his mother; frequent moves so he could not develop long-term childhood friendships. Glenn Beck and Limbaugh predictably turned to illegal drugs (marijuana and hill billy heroin)and remains addicted to drugs. With this background, he could not escape being seriously psychologically damaged. From his behaviors and relationships, it is clear that limbaugh has not successfully addressed his inner deprivations.
The conservatives emotional neediness leads them to identify and experience a bonding with others who also have low self-esteem and low self-love. Collectively, they long for a greater sense of self and strive to attain it by achieving equality among people using the power of an ever-growing government and irrational arguments (for equality and against freedom) that they find emotionally compelling.
If there was a god, there would be no religion.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:48 pm.
FEAR the Hispanics (the new Gypsy)
FEAR the Muslims (the new Jew)
FEAR the Gays (well Duh!)
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July 30th, 2010 at 1:51 pmAs Gandhi said “I like your Christ, I just do not like your Christians.” Same said for me. Sept. 11 is a day when I will burn a Bible in protest of your insane and hateful act of burning the Quran. How can you possibly think such an outrageous, hateful, and insane act can do anything except further anger the 1.5 billion Muslims living around the world? You may have a right under the First Amendment to do such a thing. You also have a responsibility as an American and a (supposed) Christian not to do something so outrageous. It is my thought that Jesus would just slap the shit out of you for being so stupid, arrogant, and mean. You will further endanger more America lives if you follow through with your unwise action.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:52 pmDid you hear the one about the insomniac agnostic dyslexic?
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He stayed up all night, wondering if there really is a Dog…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:52 pmnot to you, it wouldn’t
but I imagine that is the case for most things
July 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pmNothing like playing to Al Qaeda’s strong suit. What an incredible dumba$$clown.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pmI just love it when christo-fascists get caught lying, fornicating, bearing false witness, and hating…
… Their hypocrisy is their pox upon their faith.
As Christ said…
July 30th, 2010 at 1:54 pm… Woe unto ye!
Really – if one would do a little reading, one would learn that the origins of religion are all in the fear of natural forces, to which “gifts” were offered in an attempt to appease the wind, or rain, or lightening or whatever was scaring the homosapiens.
From time to time various tribes, or groups, would build an idol and make sacrifices to appease their god or gods, and that would eventually aggravate another group who thought their god or idols were better. (My god is bigger than your god, and I will kill you if you try to remove my idol.)
Religious rites and practices evolved from primitive beliefs.
What I observe today is a evolution of the same kind of superstition, and shamanism that has been with us from the start of humanity. It is all man-made – our human brains cannot comprehend eternity – we need to put everything in terms relative to our ability to understand – so we develop “faith” because one doesn’t need facts — only a belief.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pmWe are vulnerable to crackpots like this dangerous pastor.
John 8: 44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
When Jesus said that, he was speaking of the Jews, not Muslims. Whom do thy serve, Pastor Jones?
July 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pmOnlooker,
why do you find that amazing? I just vote you down, because you say nothing worth commenting on.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:11 pmI bet this guy is working under a tax exempt status.
I believe there should be a clause added to IRS law that will make it illegal to be exempted if a person or an organization use this exempt to attack others religions in a hate fashion as this guy is doing.
Why should we as taxpayer grant this guy a tax exempt if he wants to act as a KKK operative, instead of being a man of peace ?
July 30th, 2010 at 2:16 pmVote down, flag, wonder if onlooker also go name-jacked or is just being more vacuous than usual, and move on.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:16 pmInsult thy neighbor as thyself.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pmOnlooker,
you never took me up on my offer, how come, afraid? The offer still stands.
I’ll be heading to Sturgis next week, but we will be in the Kansas City area the week after. Maybe we could work something out?
July 30th, 2010 at 2:19 pmHistorically, most of the burning of Buybulls has been by Christians burning translations other than the particular one their sect/cult follows. Apparently, depending on sect/cult, there’s nothing worse than a Buybull that mixes up it’s “thees” and “thous”.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm104.
I was unaware of the powers of wiki on the study of religion. I just went ahead and read the books in full rather then just do a comparison between the three where the parts mesh.
In many cases the Torah was not a original text but actually draws from semetic tribal myth, and Zosterism, much in the same way that the Christ figure takes its qous from Mytherian cults and Egyptian creation stories. The Quran for it’s part is far more a collection of personal antidotes and ways to lvie as recorded by the establishment itself as Islam was itself the ruling power when the book was written.
So… Ya.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pmOh, a good way to think of it is like a story trillogy but written in three diffent styles by three differnt authors!
July 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pmTrolls: “communists have burned books in the past so that means it’s OK.”
Just for starters, this assumes that the progressives here support those communist regimes. Which assumption would be false.
Secondly, they’re also assuming that not only do we support those regimes, we are OK with them burning books. This would also be false.
This literally is a complete failure to either criticize us in any way or to defend what’s going on in the OP.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pmHell, why should these so called Christians stop at burning books? They can go back to just burning all heretics at the stake again. There just and loving god didn’t seem to have a problem with it, so I say, go for it.
snark/off.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:31 pm@176,
I see you failed high school science, because anyone who had been awake in their high school science class can tell you that we can prove the existence of air, and also tell you its chemical makeup.
Oh, what the f**k! I don’t even know why I am wasting my time with you twit.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:37 pmXisithrus says:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Nail on head, X.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pmOK, I will try this again. Perhaps someone did not like my first comments and deleted them.
As Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I just don’t like your Christians.” Much the same for me. Radical fundamentalist Christians are just as dangerous as radical fundamentalist Muslims.
Remember that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all based in one God – the God of Abraham. WWJD?
I is my thought than Jesus would slap you silly for engaging in such a radical, insane, and mean act as burning the sacred book of another religion. Yes, you have the right under the First Amendment to do such a thing, but you also have a obligation not to engage in such a dangerous practice. By outraging 1.5 billion Muslims around the world, many of whom are radical and fundamentalist, you will endanger the lives of more Americans.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:45 pmgarykendrick,
Your comment at 147 is still there.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pmComment 180. Sorry I did later find my earlier comments. I like the second wording better.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pmCan you prove the existence of air? No. Yet without it you would die. Same with God.
Someone’s never heard of electrolysis?
Take a bit of air in a closed container, and subject it to an electrical charge. It will separate into it’s components: hydrogen, and oxygen. Recombine them, and viola’ air.
What school did you attend? Homeschool U?
July 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pmgarykendrick,
No apology needed. I can’t bear to read through all the troll scat myself.
July 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pmRe: glogrrl @ 59:
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July 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pmbarfly,
I’m afraid I must correct your science. Air is mostly nitrogen with oxygen and other gasses making up the rest. There is virtually no free hydrogen in air. I believe you are referring to the process of electrically separating the oxygen and hydrogen in water.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pmthat will be Eid al-Fitr, the day Ramadhan ends… that would be a very insulting activity to Muslims everywhere… and speaking as one, it would be insensitive and not endear me to these people… but ignorance, intolerance, and hate abounds everywhere and its not just with these people…
July 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pmWe bbq’d a mormon bible once, along with a copy of a book someone had given to us, Bill Bennett’s sanctimonious screed about Virtues.
We didn’t tell anyone about it and weren’t trying to make a point. We had thought about it and decided we found the books so offensive that we could not give them to anyone else; we did not want give them to the library and we didn’t want them to end up in a landfill. To us it was the best simplest solution to getting rid of them.
But what this guy is doing is calculated Evil.
July 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm*
Dove – the proverbial symbol of peace and holiness.
World Outreach – making contacts and friendships throughout all the world
How does this lead to burning the Quran ?
July 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
MapleStreet says:
Dove – the proverbial symbol of peace and holiness.
World Outreach – making contacts and friendships throughout all the world
How does this lead to burning the Quran ?
The same way that all those groups with “family” in their name spend all their time trying to prevent people from being able to get married.
Everything that wingnuts say is the opposite of what they do.
July 30th, 2010 at 4:02 pmthe only entity the three abrahamic religions seem to agree exists is the devil. and also what they have, over thousands of years, accused each other of being.
July 30th, 2010 at 4:10 pmLingus-Clee says:
Around here if you talk about God you get voted down. Tell me how that’s different then burning Bibles?
You mean like this post with a plus 8 vote tally?
You loose again Glee Lover
July 30th, 2010 at 4:45 pmProve what? That you can’t read?
July 30th, 2010 at 4:52 pmBlatantly false premise, as livelongandprosper proved, which prompted you to challenge him to “prove it”.
If what you said was true, then the post livelong cited would have been voted down, as it spoke about God. Instead, since it was a reasonable comment on a complex subject, it got eight votes up, thus demonstrating that your premise — Around here if you talk about God you get voted down — holds no water.
Clearly, it is not the “talk about God” parts of your various idiotic posts that prompt the votes down. It must be something else. Probably the idiotic parts.
July 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pmSpeaking of burning objectionable material:
I may have to roast my Aerosmith collection if the rumor that Steve Tyler is going to be a judge on American Idol proves true. I’ve been able to forgive the pop-shlock produced after their glory days but I do have some standards.
July 30th, 2010 at 5:09 pmXisithrus says:
the only entity the three abrahamic religions seem to agree exists is the devil.
Actually Judaism doesn’t officially recognize any devil, although he is part of the secondary/cultural belief system that has accreted to it. The only things Judaism technically “believes in” are God and the rules he’s laid down on the Chosen People to adhere to. Everything else is up to the individual to believe or not believe.
July 30th, 2010 at 6:08 pmI’d like to add to ElBruce’s post that not all Christians believe in the devil either.
July 30th, 2010 at 6:49 pmOk, I’m going to break my silence for a moment and address this.
ARE YOU CRAZY?
NAZIS BURN BOOKS MORON.
NOT AMERICANS.
I could give a rats a$$ about your self serving image of your atheist superiority, but when you start talking about BURNING BOOKS, then you’ve gone and lost your mind.
Who cares if you “like” whats in them?
Who CARES if you “believe” whats in them?
The BURNING OF BOOKS is the mark of a true fascist, and a low down dirty PIG.
Anyone who would BURN BOOKS should just go ahead and toss themselves in along with them.
Because Americans don’t burn books.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:21 pmThat’s because a handful of “regulars” who also happen to see their atheist beliefs as superior to the beliefs of others have no problem practicing bigotry, as long as its against people of faith.
They control this blog, and they shout down and drive off anyone who doesn’t bow to their atheist dogmas.
We’re left with not much of a choice in this country now.
Either side with the dark, demonic right wing who heralds their bastardized version of Christianity, or side with the dark, demonic atheist bullies, who have as little tolerance for people of faith as the evangelicals have for them.
In a nutshell, its fubar.
July 30th, 2010 at 7:27 pmIn a nutshell, its fubar.
I’ll agree with you there.
But atheism is not a belief. When religious people say things that are contrary to fact or based on pure interpretation of other humans writings and atheist point out the absurdities, people like you think we are being bigots. I don’t care what you or my neighbor believe in, but you or my neighbor better not be trying to force your beliefs on the society that I am a part of. Your ‘book’ may say to convert everyone you meet, but your ‘book’ may also say stoning is punishment for ______ (fill in the blank). Stoning is not very accepted in our society, why is converting everyone you meet not as frowned upon?
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Sure it is.
It is the belief that there is no god.
When they can prove that claim, then they’ll be a fact based system.
Until they can prove their claims however, they’re just the same as the theists.
Making claims they cannot prove.
July 30th, 2010 at 8:50 pmWhen your “pointing out” becomes a never ending assault of ridicule, mockery and scorn at the very MENTION of anyones beliefs, books, etc, then its nothing more than pure, ugly inane bigotry.
Of the worst kind.
At least the Nazi’s knew they were bigots.
July 30th, 2010 at 8:53 pmI don’t have any beliefs to force on you or anyone else, and I don’t see anyone “forcing” anything on you.
But if you mean the constant whining by atheists at having to hear a prayer, or have someone say Merry Christmas, or Happy Hannakuh to them, then grow up and quit bellyaching.
We’ve been living in a multicultural and multi faith society for a long time now, and thats only going to increase so if you want to live here, quit whining about the beliefs of others and learn some tolerance and a little maturity.
When we see someone professing a doctrine that we find silly or juvenile, the REASONABLE ADULT simply smiles to himself and ignores it.
Whiny babies cry about having to hear Merry Christmas, or Happy Kwanza at the department store.
July 30th, 2010 at 8:58 pmWhat do you mean “your book”? I don’t “have a book” there Flavius, so I’m not sure why you’re arguing the bible with me as I’m neither defending nor condemning it.
I seem to have this amazing ability to tolerate peoples beliefs, as long as they don’t involve hurting people.
The Jehovah’s witnesses knocking on my door once or twice a year in no way infringes on my freedom, life or liberty and thus I’m mature enough to smile and say “no thank you”.
And when you grow up, you’ll be able to do that too.
July 30th, 2010 at 9:01 pmBy “converting everyone you meet” I assume you meant to say “attempting to convert everyone you meet”, and in answer to your query, ..well, …because when you talk to someone about your religion they don’t die from a barrage of massive head injuries.
:|
Seems that one would be sorta obvious.
July 30th, 2010 at 9:04 pmGive it a rest Shabbit Dawkinists won’t be able to accept they’re ideologies flaws untill atheism produces a dictator that kills millions.
Oh wait that’s happend a couple of times.
July 30th, 2010 at 10:01 pmRe: “Doc Shabbit” @ 203:
I smell a namejacking here.
July 30th, 2010 at 10:17 pmDoc Shabbit ["Banned By the Huffington Post for your Comfort and Convenience"] says:
Either side with the dark, demonic right wing who heralds their bastardized version of Christianity, or side with the dark, demonic atheist bullies, who have as little tolerance for people of faith as the evangelicals have for them.
Third option: side with Jesus. You know, the guy who said heal the sick, help the poor, respect the foreigner, start no wars, etc.
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Doc Shabbit ["Banned By the Huffington Post for your Comfort and Convenience"] says:
I don’t have any beliefs to force on you or anyone else, and I don’t see anyone “forcing” anything on you.
But if you mean the constant whining by atheists…
You’re pretty clearly on one side against the other. Why are you trying to pretend you’re not?
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Doc Shabbit ["Banned By the Huffington Post for your Comfort and Convenience"] says:
Whiny babies cry about having to hear Merry Christmas, or Happy Kwanza at the department store.
Presenting Bill O’Reilly’s “war on Christmas” whimper. Ever hear about it?
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cd (temp spokesman for satan) says:
Give it a rest Shabbit Dawkinists won’t be able to accept they’re ideologies flaws untill atheism produces a dictator that kills millions.
Oh wait that’s happend a couple of times.
If you’re referring to Communism, then true, it has. But genocide and dictatorshops have also been produced repeatedly by Christianity. And Islam, for that matter. Also, other economic belief systems like Feudalism, Mercantilism and Capitalism. Frankly, just about anything that people have believed in has been used as an excuse to slaughter people en masse.
So what’s your point? Maybe you should do something about that log in your eye while you’re whining about the mote in mine.
July 30th, 2010 at 10:39 pm“produced repeatedly by Christianity”?
Do you really think everyone in history who claimed to be a Christian was one?
It’s not my place to declare x was a Christian and y wasn’t a Christian but do you really think every signle person in history who claimed to be a Christian was one?
July 30th, 2010 at 10:56 pmWhat is a “dictatorshop”?
As for genocide being committed by Christianity, NOT BY THE METHODISTS LIVING DOWN THE STREET. Or the Jews at the local synagogue. Or the other HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF RELIGIOUS PEOPLE in this country.
So you give it a rest.
Enough of your faux victimization and bogus outright lies about most religious people.
The religious people in THIS BLOG, who have been driven off over the years by the atheist a$$holes who think they’re the non-gods gift to the world, are NOT committing mass genocide.
Which means your ridiculous accusations in response to my comments about them reveal a prime example of the anti-religious bigotry that dominates this blog.
Because people like you can actually with a straight face come in and starting whining about mass genocide in response to comments about showing a little tolerance for the people of faith in here, proving you are nothing more than a bigot who portrays events out of context and attributes the actions of SOME people the an ENTIRE GROUP.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:13 pmNo I’m not dickhead. And the only pretending is you.
I accept religious and non religious people who treat each other and me, with respect.
I do NOT accept religious bigots, or anti-religious bigots, and morons who try to paint me religious simply because I stand up to their moronic bigotry.
My family and friends matter to me ass$hole, and when dickheads and bigmouths run them out because of their anti religious bigotry then I’m going to speak up.
Don’t like it?
Then don’t open your mouth to me anymore.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:18 pmThat comment is a testament to the sheer stupidity of the blind bigot.
I’ve been making the same point for years in here, and many times with the likes of you.
The point stupid, is bigotry works both ways, and yours is no better than theirs.
Its the same whether its an evangelical bigot calling a gay man evil nazi, or a self proclaimed “progressive” calling a religious person a fool, or a “child believing in fairy tales”.
When you gang up on a group of people, harass, intimidate, and generally drive them off simply because of their beliefs, then the US Govt says your a low down dirty, ugly, “bigot”.
And so do I.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:23 pmThere was at least one truely Christian King in Europe.
You know what happend?
They killed him.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:48 pmFTR yes his being a Christian is just my opinion.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:52 pmYea, and that comment really represents the Amish family living down the road a piece.
Or the good religious people over at ST Judes children s hospital, who through their and others kindness and generosity make real miracles happen every day using medicine and science.
Or the good people over at Catholic Charities, who have helped millions of orphans find homes over the past several centuries.
There are people who do bad, and people who do good in every walk of life.
But when you attack an entire collection of people based on the actions of some, then you’re nothing more than a bigot.
July 30th, 2010 at 11:55 pmThe little known 11th Commandments ‘thou shall leave other faiths the hell alone’
July 31st, 2010 at 12:00 amMatthew 10:5-7
July 31st, 2010 at 1:28 am
There are people who do bad, and people who do good in every walk of life.
But when you attack an entire collection of people based on the actions of some, then you’re nothing more than a bigot.
+1
July 31st, 2010 at 2:49 amThat’s lovely El Bruce, but once again quoting scriptures to me to defend an attack on religious people for proselyting is erroneous, since I am neither advocating or denouncing any of their positions, as you well know by now. But you want to “pretend” that I am a religious person, simply because I was brought up in a religious family and actually learned something about the bible and respect the beliefs of others, as well as their right to believe them and discuss them in a civil venue without being constantly lambasted by the peanut gallery.
And as for your scriptural knowledge, it too is observably lacking.
Observe.
Before you try using the theists scriptures against them, you might want to first try knowing something about them.
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Any Sunday School kid could have pointed this one out to you.
July 31st, 2010 at 4:24 amI really do wish these people would get Salman Rushdie-like fatwas placed on them.
July 31st, 2010 at 6:53 amHmm … and we’re universally hated all over the world because …
July 31st, 2010 at 8:55 amPastor Terry James is absolutely INSANE. you should not invite true Christians with your DEVIL acts. Evangelical???
July 31st, 2010 at 10:55 amthen where is the sense??? We true Christians never Critized others. We honor others religion. we respect and honor other believers. But you? . . to act that way, . . I think that’s some kind of mental disorder.
I agree the guy is probably nuts, but I support his rights to burn whatever he wants to burn.
However, a lot of progressives here would love to burn the flag and bibles, yet don’t like burning the far more oppressive Quran that speaks of beating women and not being nice to anyone but other Muslims – unlike the flag which represents freedom, and the message of Jesus to love one another … I think the hypocrisy is interesting. I think Liberals are basically cowards that’s why they would rather make the 100th insulting move of Christianity, rather than a single movie about Muhammad.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:27 pmJoin us in fighting the forces of hate in all different ideologies and religions by joining the “Don’t Burn the Quran, Read the Bible Day!”
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=138967996133677
This preacher intends to lead a National Burn The Quran Day. Personally I believe that everyone is responsible for their own actions, and that God is the ultimate judge of a person, and not any particular individual. While this kind of action is indeed wrong, burning of ANY book, we must understand that God knows all i…ncluding everyone’s intentions, and therefore, instead of reacting with bitterness or condemnation, we should strive to engage in positive action and show solidarity with our Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, non-faith, and etc. brothers and sisters.Therefore, I propose that on September 11th, we fight the forces of hate, on ALL sides, and read a passage from the Bible, the Torah, the Quran, and the book of any other religion that you may not know so much about to promote tolerance and understanding.
MLK said something to the effect that understanding is the road to peace.
In this world, too often, ignorance prevails, and group goals and agendas supersede the idea of a common humanity.
Together we can condemn the attackers of September 11 and continued acts of hatred while promoting peace.
Please invite as many people as you can, this is an inter-faith effort, and show the minority forces of hate that permeate through all religions and ideologies that they will not skew the basis of morality; a common humanity within us all.
When we get enough people we can come up with a plan to organize rallies and gatherings to make this work out!
July 31st, 2010 at 2:39 pmWhere I come from, when a stupid conservative opens their stupid mouth and says something stupid, we expect them to back up their hate with facts. So. I trust you have proof of your claims, sir?
July 31st, 2010 at 7:34 pmNazi’s burn books sir, not Americans. And no one said he didn’t “have the right” to do so.
Just that he ought to know better.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:55 pmBroad, sweeping generalizations without substance do little for your cause.
Perhaps if you could point out these “flag burning progressives” then your case would carry more weight.
Until then, I think you have confused the difference between the right to burn the flag in peaceful protest, with wanting to.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:58 pmI am against book burning of any sort. But the Quran and the Bible should both be put in a locked cabinet in the library’s reserve book room. Only qualified scholars should have access to either. They are dangerous books in that they both advocate mass murder.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:53 amI should add that the Quran and the Bible should appropriately be placed together with Mein Kampf.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:56 amInstead of burning books you just want to ban them.
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Thank you Doctor Goebbels.
August 1st, 2010 at 5:23 amJesus never taught hatred, but railed against the established Jewish hierarchy who were trying to control people through religion. Does this sound familiar wingers? Conservatives are bastardizing what can be a beautiful and peaceful way of living (Christianity) into something intolerable and heavy handed. This is something Jesus also taught against. I have been living this life for the last seven years and can not fathom how people supposedly established in the faith can think this way! I absolutely like the reference to these to these people as the “American Taliban”!
August 1st, 2010 at 11:55 amI also abandoned a church where the pastor made the announcement ” You can find this program on ****AM radio, the station that airs Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck”!
August 1st, 2010 at 11:59 amIt looks like everyone is into burning what they consider “evil”, for an example of Heveanly significance see:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/15/lightning-strike-destroys-jesus-statue/
August 1st, 2010 at 3:16 pmI wish I could vote up your comment a thousand times. Its an excellent comment and clears the air of all the neocon dogma on the right, and all the misinformation being promulgated by the atheists, on the left.
The right wing has bastardized the gospel Jesus taught, and have completely turned it around.
For example, Jesus taught his followers that they should be as wise as wolves, yet harmless as doves.
But the evangelicals led by people like Sarah Palin (when did she get ordained?) and Glenn Beck teach that Christians should be as dumb as a dove, and as harmful as a wolf.
Its the complete opposite of what he taught.
A reverse gospel, or…if you will….a form of “anti-Christ”.
It would be nice if more Christians like yourself started speaking up, and denouncing this right wing gospel of hate and instructing people in what was actually taught.
August 1st, 2010 at 4:40 pmFor those who are interested I’ve heard a protest is being planned by people who are hosting a “read your bible day” event.
google it.
August 1st, 2010 at 6:44 pmI make no apologies for being a revenge driven individual. My dad, who was a Christian, taught me that if someone does something to you then you do it right back to him. When I reminded him that Christians were to turn the other cheek, he said I could do that if I wanted to get hit on that side to. With that said, I so badly wanted to start my own on-line protest and burn a Bible. Then I remembered the teachings of my mother and her family, who are Northern African Muslims. She told me that hating people is a waste of time and energy because the people that you hate will never know that you do and you’ll live your life consumed by that hate and that I should let it go. I find it hard to do that in this circumstance, but this dude is irrelevant and he’s just trying to bring attention to himself and his lagging book sales. Let him burn the Koran. It’s funny that they would spend money on this, considering our current economic times.
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