Self-Styled Budget Hawk Mike Pence Defends Spending $560 Million On Unnecessary Weapons Program
Self-Styled Budget Hawk Mike Pence Defends Spending $560 Million On Unnecessary Weapons Program
Recognizing the need to cut spending in light of record budget deficits, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced major cuts to a number of big-ticket weapons programs last year that the Pentagon concluded it no longer needed. Gates — who was first appointed by President Bush — is so serious about the need to eliminate these programs that he has called on President Obama to veto any defense spending bill that contains funding for further development of these wasteful, unnecessary systems. Chief among the cuts is an extra engine for the F-35 fighter jet, of which Gates has said, “Every dollar additional to the budget that we have to put into the F-35 is a dollar taken from something else that the troops may need.”
One would think that self-styled budget hawks like Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) would herald Gates’ proposed cuts. He has said “if we are going to put our fiscal house in order, everything has to be on the table. We have to be willing to look at domestic spending, we have to be able to look at entitlements, and we have to look at defense.”
But in an interview with Bloomberg’s Al Hunt yesterday, Pence defended spending hundreds of millions more on an extra engine, despite having said moments earlier that one of his top priorities is “to get federal spending under control.” Pence attempts to make a national security argument for the engine, before quickly revealing his true motives:
HUNT: Everybody seems to be for — most people say they’re for fiscal discipline, but it gets hard when it’s in your district. Let me give you one example for you. You went to the House floor to defend money for a second engine for the Joint Strike Fighter … [which would have] a factory in your district. The Pentagon says it doesn’t want it. The other day a Tea Party group — this is a Tea Party group — said of this project, it’s an example of “opportunistic parasite feeding on the expansion of government.” Tough stuff.
PENCE: Well, sure. And everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but — and not entitled to their own facts. The reality is, and the Heritage Foundation produced a very important study on this, is that it is believed that when you were talking about a military defense contract that will span decades of time, it is in the interest of taxpayers in the long run to have more than one source, more than one manufacturer of that engine.
The fact that one of those two engines in part is manufactured in Indiana, we certainly welcome. We’re proud of those jobs. But at the end of the day, I really do believe that it was in the interest of our national defense.
Watch it:
In contradicting the Pentagon by claiming that the extra engine is “in the interest of our national defense,” Pence seems to be claiming that he — a former talk radio host — knows more about national security than the military. Rolls Royce, the company that would produce the extra engine, employes 4,000 people in Pence’s district and has spent millions lobbying for the engine. Development of the engine would cost $560 million for next year alone, but Pence believes in this pork project so much that he went to the House floor in May to defend it.
Pence is hardly the only Republican lawmaker to support the wasteful extra engine, despite bloviating about government spending on a nearly daily basis. For example, 32 members of the Republican Study Committee (RSC) — a group of ultra-conservative House members — signed a “no earmarks” pledge, but 17 of that 32 voted to fund the extra engine anyway. Beyond Pence, who is the third-ranking Republican in the House, supporters of the extra engine include such fiscal conservative leaders as Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA), and RSC Chairman Tom Price (R-GA) — almost the entire Republican leadership.
Not to be outdone by the lower house, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) recently gave a radio interview in which he accused President Obama of being “the most anti-military president” in history, explaining that Obama “disarmed America.” His evidence? Cutting the C-17, F-22, and Future Combat System programs — all of which Gates identified as unnecessary and put on the chopping block.
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Republiscum don’t care about fiscal responsibility and more than they care about the welfare of America and Americans.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:35 pmCut social spending, but never military spending (unless it’s for Vets). Yeesh.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:35 pmKeep posting this kind of information. If the American public truly understood what free-spending hypocrites republicans are, there would be alot fewer of them.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:38 pmIt is appalling to me that these idiots ran our budget and government into the ground throughout the GDumbya years and are now using their own incompetence to beat up the majority party as it attempts to get the train back on the tracks.
It will be interesting to see how their tune changes when the democrats turn their attention to cost and deficit reduction in the coming session. Will the republicans finally decide to become part of the Congress or will they just continue to p*ss and moan about “the process” because their own sacred cows are being questioned?
I don’t think its reasonable to expect a congressman to support the cutting of a program that is actually in his own district. Show me one outside that district that supports this program and I’m with you.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pmSelf-Styled Budget Hawk Mike Pence Defends Spending $560 Million On Unnecessary Weapons Program
– - Pence is an incredibly partisan snollygoster*.
* – A politician who will go to any lengths to win public office, regardless of party affiliation or platform.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pmI am so tired of reading about these sanctimonious, hypocritical, lying sons of b*tches with (R) associated with their names. They would never throw a dime in the kitty for the helpless but they will tell a lie to steal billions from the taxpayer to pad the pockets of the corporatist whores who lead them around by their privates. We do not ever want that party in control of the government ever again.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:43 pmPENCE: The reality is, and the Heritage Foundation produced a very important study on this…
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BAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA…!
the Heritage Foundation…
BAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA…!
July 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pmIt’s going to get juicy when this phony is exposed in his log cabin.
AIO
July 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pmWonder how things would be if the portion of everyone’s taxes going for military spending had to be paid directly to the Pentagon instead of being filtered through the IRS?
July 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pmChief among the cuts is an extra engine for the F-35 fighter jet, of which Gates has said, “Every dollar additional to the budget that we have to put into the F-35 is a dollar taken from something else that the troops may need.”
I am so sick of the goddamn 35’s. One, it can’t take the Russian fighters. Two it hasen’t enough fuel to even reach the arctic and make itself useful from soutehrn bases. Three as mentioend here, the CF-18 has the two engines- I don’t want to spend 19 bil on a arms deal and have a fair chunk of them crash due to a design flaw.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pmSelf-Styled Budget Hawk Mike Pence Defends Spending $560 Million On Unnecessary Weapons Program
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He was also for the unfunded Bush medicaid part d which cost American taxpayers #1.3 trillion.
Yet he was against extending unemployment benefits to millions of Americans and opposed affordable health insurance for millions of Americans…crying that they would add to the deficit.
I love it when republicans continue to show who they really represent. I hope America is taking notice!
July 31st, 2010 at 12:48 pmwhat does that mean, “an extra engine”, a “second engine”?
could someone please explain, in simple language, please…
July 31st, 2010 at 12:49 pm$1.3 trillion
July 31st, 2010 at 12:49 pmkaty says:
what does that mean, “an extra engine”, a “second engine”?
could someone please explain, in simple language, please…
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I don’t know katy? Maybe it’s insurance, just in case the first engines assembled turn out to be junk. Got to spend billions more just to be safe, Sure you betcha! ;)
*snark*
July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pmTom says:
Unfortunately, the folks who would benefit from this sort of information are over on RedState or watching Fux Noise, listening to propaganda telling them that their president is an illegal alien who wants to take their freedom away.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pmI am so sick of the goddamn 35’s. One, it can’t take the Russian fighters.
Less agile? Less firepower?
The A-10’s have two engines, making them harder to down with a single missile strike, or flack damage to one side of the craft.
Would the redundancy on the ‘35 be of similar benefit?
July 31st, 2010 at 12:53 pmShorter Pence – Balance the budget on the backs of the middle-class, the poor and the elderly…but don’t take our pork.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:56 pmPolicyNorth says:
From the Repugniscum perspective, who cares? The money will be in THEIR pockets and their corporate benefactors will have enough in their bonuses to afford a secluded villa in a country that does not have extradition with the US. We’ll jst lose a bunch of skilled pilots, leading to more job opportunities, so hey, the down side is really an up side, no?
July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm4. ddssff says:
I don’t think its reasonable to expect a congressman to support the cutting of a program that is actually in his own district.
except, it sounds like it’s not actually there, yet…
July 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pmThe tea baggers always fall silent when the Pentagon’s wasteful spending and lack of accountability is mentioned. They don’t even defend it, they just leave. A true tea bagger would treat all spending equally.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pmdeficits for death
what an ugly ugly thing
July 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pmAll the teabaggers are hailing the possibility of the F35s coming to Luke AF Base in AZ. They just love this government expansion, and it’s positive impact on the AZ economy.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:03 pmSheesh, you liberal progressive marxist nazi communist socialist tree-hugging terrorist sympathizers DON’T GET IT!!!
MILITARY SPENDING for equipment the MILITARY DOESN’T WANT CREATES JOBS!!! Besides, it can all be paid for by TAX CUTS for the RICH!!! Unlike Obama’s WASTEFUL STIMULUS program that didn’t create a single job, MUSHROOMED THE DEFICIT and Burdens your grandchildren with DEBT!!!
If you shut down a defense contract where thousands of hard-working Americans are busy cranking out a product the military doesn’t want, you throw all those people onto the unemployment lines and welfare where they’ll just become lazy couch potatoes stuffing their faces with snacks until they develop diabetes and other health problems that we will have to pay for out of our tax money thanks to Obama’s Health Care deform! You’ll be turning thousands of hard working Americans into folks TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS!
Of course, this is all part of the LIBERAL AGENDA to throw EVERY AMERICAN out of work and make EVERYONE DEPENDENT on BIG GOVERNMENT for thier survival. You liberal socialist marxist communist progressive terrorist sympathizers won’t stop until every U.S. Citizen is on unemployment and welfare! It’s part of your plan to BRING BACK SLAVERY!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:06 pmPENCE: Well, sure. And everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but — and not entitled to their own facts. The reality is, and the Heritage Foundation produced a very important study on this, is that it is believed that when you were talking about a military defense contract that will span decades of time, it is in the interest of taxpayers in the long run to have more than one source, more than one manufacturer of that engine.
The Heritage Foundation also believed the revenues from the Iraqi oil fields would be enough to pay for the invasion and reconstruction.
Not a good track record.
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Weapons feed the children of the military industrial complex. See? That’s all that matters to the right wing of this country. Feeding real food to real Americans who need it? They hate that chit!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pmkaty says:
what does that mean, “an extra engine”, a “second engine”?
– - The first rule of government spending: why build one, when you can build two at twice the price.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:09 pmAs it stands today, the Republican party is the most dangerous and potentially deadly enemy the United States has faced since the Second World War. And THAT is a virtually unarguable FACT. Save for those who like fascism, of course.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:09 pmThe second engine establishes a second repair parts stream that fundamentally doubles the number of spares kept by the Defense Department in order to keep the air fleet operational. It also adds to the education cost for engine mechanics or necessitates a second team of mechanics or at minimum raises a requirement for an engine specialist for each power plant at each and every airbase.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:09 pmThe tea baggers always fall silent when the Pentagon’s wasteful spending and lack of accountability is mentioned. They don’t even defend it, they just leave. A true tea bagger would treat all spending equally.
Heck No!!! Some spending is MORE EQUAL than other spending. MILITARY SPENDING creates JOBS and LOWERS TAXES!!! Socialist spending on ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS KILLS JOBS AND RAISES TAXES.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pmBriseadh na Faire says:
You liberal socialist marxist communist progressive terrorist sympathizers won’t stop until every U.S. Citizen is on unemployment and welfare! It’s part of your plan to BRING BACK SLAVERY!
Actually is all part of the St. Ronnie Raygun war on the midde class that assclowns like Pence have been peddling to the American people or the past thirty years. It is a failed philosophy. The multiplier for a bomb is what once it is dropped in the desert?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pmpoliticsLOSER says
July 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pmEagle Forum founder and ERA crusher Phyllis Schlafly has written 13 volumes on weaponry…
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She wrote 13 books about her 19″ battery operated dildos?
a jet engine is not weaponry and we already have quite a few mfgrs of jet engines. besides that a jet engine, like a cars, has many different suppliers making the parts that are then assembled po.
a civilian jet engine is just like the military versions sans afterburner or moveable inlets. many times these moveable inlets today are built into the airframe and not bolted to the engine.
Pence is bringing home the bacon and is creating the rational after that fact.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:12 pmpence = porkboy (and liar)
July 31st, 2010 at 1:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Rep. Mike Pence understands weaponry better than most congressmen.
You got that Right!!! Pence knows so much about military weaponry he knows more than the military itself about which programs it needs and wants!!! That’s why he can ignore the Pentagon’s requests and make up his own funding priorities. SO WHAT if the PENTAGON says it want’s to spend more on OUR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM!!! If PENCE says they need a useless program more than they need to PROTECT OUR TROOPS, then THAT’S WHAT THE NEED TO DO!!!
Keep up the GOOD WORK, politicalobserver, for you are ONE OF GOD’S CHOSEN!!! You know GOD want’s us to spend money on military programs that the Pentagon doesn’t want instead of body armor for OUR TROOPS because with less armor, our troops will have to TURN TO GOD for their PROTECTION!!!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:16 pmi have not seen schlafly write on weaponry. in fact she stated she is against using war as an extension of foreign policy.
Schlaflys ‘volumes’
# udicial Tyranny: The New Kings of America? – contributing author (Amerisearch, 2005) ISBN 0-9753455-6-7
# The Supremacists: The Tyranny Of Judges And How To Stop It (Spence Publishing Company, 2004) ISBN 1-890626-55-4
# Feminist Fantasies, foreword by Ann Coulter (Spence Publishing Company, 2003) ISBN 1-890626-46-5
# Turbo Reader (Pere Marquette Press, 2001) ISBN 0-934640-16-5
# First Reader (Pere Marquette Press, 1994) ISBN 0-934640-24-6
# Pornography’s Victims (Crossway Books, 1987) ISBN 0-89107-423-6
# Child Abuse in the Classroom (Crossway Books, 1984) ISBN 0-89107-365-5
# Equal Pay for UNequal Work (Eagle Forum, 1984) ISBN 99950-3-143-4
# The End of an Era (Regnery Publishing, 1982) ISBN 0-89526-659-8
# The Power of the Christian Woman (Standard Pub, 1981) ISBN B0006E4X12
# The Power of the Positive Woman (Crown Pub, 1977) ISBN 0-87000-373-9
# Ambush at Vladivostok, with Chester Ward (Pere Marquette Press, 1976) ISBN 0-934640-00-9
# Kissinger on the Couch (Arlington House Publishers, 1974) ISBN 0-87000-216-3
# Mindszenty the Man (with Josef Vecsey) (Cardinal Mindszenty Foundation, 1972) ISBN B00005WGD6
# The Betrayers (Pere Marquette Press, 1968) ISBN B0006CY0CQ
# Safe Not Sorry (Pere Marquette Press, 1967) ISBN 0-934640-06-8
# Strike From Space: A Megadeath Mystery (Pere Marquette Press, 1965) ISBN 80-7507-634-6
# Grave Diggers (with Chester Ward) (Pere Marquette Press, 1964) ISBN 0-934640-03-3
# A Choice Not An Echo (Pere Marquette Press, 1964) ISBN 0-686
not a single weaponry book.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
you’re getting too good at that, bnf…
July 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pmThe Heritage Foundation floated over 5,000 ideas regarding Iraq and its oil under different scenarios.
That way, no matter what happened, the Heritage Foundation could say it was right!!! Too bad none of their projected scenarios encompassed what actually happened!!!
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From another view, ignoring the military expense, each of those 4000 jobs being preserved in Pence’s district will add $140,000 to next year’s budget
July 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pmThis blustery clown is full of shit.
Hey Pence…or should I say, Hey HYPOCRITE!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:21 pmassuming facts not in evidence po.
in other words your projecting your imagination as fact when its just pundit styled hyperbole.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:21 pmI’m gonna add to what Indisious said about …the Heritage Foundation.
BWAHHHHHHAAAA!
Right Wing Crazy Foundation is more like it.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:23 pmFunny how the minority party has taken the victim stance. Now the majority party is cruel and evil. They continue to see things in simple black or white, with or against. Hey if feeling like a victim works for ya…
July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pmFrugalchariot says:
As it stands today, the Republican party is the most dangerous and potentially deadly enemy the United States has faced since the Second World War. And THAT is a virtually unarguable FACT. Save for those who like fascism, of course.
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Are you saying that…
* Opposing legislation which gives money to community banks so that they can loan the money to small businesses.
* Opposing the extension of unemployment benefits to millions of American workers.
* Opposing Bank/Wall Street reform.
* Wanting high unemployment.
* Obstructing the democratic process.
* Hoping the president fails
* In bed with multinational corporations.
* Encourage division, hate, racism, blatant lies and violence.
…equates to the republican party being the most dangerous and potentially deadly enemy of the United States?
You are correct!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pmThe GOP need only be deadly to progressivism and its cruelties and its evils.
Another HOME RUN, Politicalobserver! We must get rid of such progressive ideas like National Parks, the Progressive Income Tax, the minimum wage, the 13th and 14th Amendments, the Bill of Rights, etc! All those progressive ideas are inherently evil!!!
We must return this country to its BIBLICAL ROOTS!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pmpoleicktroll oddslurper.
how is making health insurance affordable an evil?
why would you rather see americans sick and starving so our government can go looking for monsters to slay to support an whole industrial complex that doesnt create stuff the salus populi can buy?
do you need a military jet engine poleicktrow? Do you need a cruise missile? Can you afford one? Do you need a tank? Some du rounds?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pmI’m sensing that politicsobserver killed his own mother because she kicked him out of her trailer.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:25 pmThe idea you describe did not fit the scenario because of post-invasion violence.
Which they weren’t predicting.
We all remember “They will Greet us as liberators!“
July 31st, 2010 at 1:26 pm@41
VD RfS
LOL took you a while to get that cut and paste finger warmed up this morning, or did the short bus of ignorants take a wrong turn on the way to work?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:27 pm… so, it’s a SPARE???!!!
and it’s not even carried in the spare-engine compartment???
i wondered if it was to be actually fitted on the plane, to make it a 2-engine jet… but, no?
wow… i mean, it’s not like they don’t already have spare engines around, right?
so it’s only P O R K .
July 31st, 2010 at 1:28 pmPence is using fear and when a politician uses fear its not because they are representing the peoples interest. its just the opposite. pence wants to get the people behing his interests.
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It’s not about want, it’s about need. -=poleicksow=-
really? i havent read about any shortage of jet engines or parts. the military has plenty of jet engines. they have jets sitting in the arizona desert in storage that can be put back into service rather quickly.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:33 pmwell instead of that engine, we could use that money to put mack and repair all the equipment that has been used, reused, blown up, used again etc… airplanes being maxed out years ahead of there time.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:34 pmI’ll get straight to the point:
The republican party along with the phony, counterfeit Christians of the religious right are evil. They are Satan’s minions doing his work to bring down the greatest country on earth.
Both speak with forked tongues which have double meaning.
When a republican talks about being against high taxes and helping small businesses he is really talking about high taxes on the extremely wealthy and helping multinational corporations.
When the religious right profess they are are teaching the lords message and than spew hatred for the poor, gays, defend the wealthy, rail against all forms of social safety nets, they are really teaching the opposite of what Jesus taught.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:34 pmSo politicobserver says we need that second engine for the economy.
And then says human nature only applies to proggys.
And “Doctor” Laura is smart.
And Glen Beck will be out of a job due to proggys.
Ok.
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One can always call a “reality” with which they disagree with “fear”. It’s a lazy way of avoiding discussing the reality itself. -=po’ed=-
the reality is the warlords in afghanistan dont have jet aircraft or tanks or humvees or much of anything.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:36 pmfear is not a reality its an emotion. one that often has people overresponding in knee jerk fashion. I think pence knows this well.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:38 pmI.P.: I’ll get straight to the point:
The republican party along with the phony, counterfeit Christians of the religious right are evil.
– - The Republicans want to be mayors of crazy-town. They’ve embraced a fringe and proto-racist isolationist and ignorant conservative populism that has no solutions for fixing anything and the collective intelligence of a wine flask. This IS offensive and over the top, and the more Democrats repeat it, and the more dumb things some Republican candidates do, the more generally conservative voters who might be thinking of sending a message to Democrats by voting for a Republican will be reminded that the replacement party is even more loony than the party that can’t tie its shoes.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pmpoliticsobserver is one of Satan’s mindless minions also. Just listen to his moronic ramblings. He like the rest of his ilk are just useful, clueless, ignorant tools of Lucifer who has hijacked American Christianity much like the RNC has hijacked the teabagger party.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pmYes you did!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pmGlen Beck
LOL>>> the way he has been whining about being pulled off tv and the government is trying to quite me etc…
One would have to say that he is setting up for the big disappointment on 8/28, and maybe the fact that he doesn’t have a permit for this rally.
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Speaking of evil…
The whole time Chimpy was in office, I felt like I was watching The Omen.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:41 pmPoliticobserver,
How many Iraqi refugees have you talked to about why they left the country and what they think about the invasion?
I wouldn’t have asked this question if I hadn’t the opportunity to speak to an educated, professional, Iraqi engineer who recently came to the US with his family.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:41 pmLets change the subject, shall we. I guess it’s better than just leaving.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:42 pm@69
VD, RfS, Possible Virus Alert!!!!!
July 31st, 2010 at 1:45 pmI wonder what Jesus would think about a country and many of it’s people who allows it’s corporations who set up shop in other countries just to steal their natural resources and use their citizens as slave laborers so that they corporations can make maximum profits?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:45 pm@55 I’m confused. Are you calling Pence a progressive? Anybody ever do a study to determine who is manufacturing The uniforms our military is wearing? From boots to helmets and every thing in between. Just curious
July 31st, 2010 at 1:46 pmfor all the bombs and jets and sattelites and high tech billions spent they still couldnt get one guy hiding in a cave.
We dont need more jet engines. it may help pences state with jobs [which is odd because the gop said govt doesnt create one single job}
July 31st, 2010 at 1:48 pmDebating with conservatives always ends up in them saying stuff, then later denying they said that. It’s irritating because they said it earlier in the thread, in black and white for all to see. Had a debate of Facebook with an old high school peer. This chick started by railing against generalizations, then did it herself. Railed against name calling, then did it herself. When called on it, she denied it. She looked real dumb.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:48 pmAmerica, said {John} Adams, “goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. . . She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.”
July 31st, 2010 at 1:50 pmJesus would be crucified all over again if he returned today. Dominant empires and Jesus don’t mix.
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Since IP was thinking about how Jesus would feel, how would he feel about,
“Church plans Quran-burning event”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×8854091
Maybe a new Bumper Sticker…it can come in two versions!
“We’re the GOBP…We Burn Books!”
or
“We’re the TeaTerrorBag Party…We Burn Books!”
July 31st, 2010 at 1:53 pm#55 is very confusing, however, the gist is:
The engine would help the economy.
Proggys are the only group subjected to human nature.
Doctor Laura is smart at her doctorin’.
And Glen Beck will be forced into unemployment by proggys.
The guy could come back and clarify what he said, but instead denies it, and takes off.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:54 pm“the security and well-being of each and every American depend on the security and well-being of those who live beyond our borders,” -=gwb=-
this doesnt mesh with what the founding fathers wrote.
Are you for the constitution or not poleicktrow?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:54 pmJim Inhofe’s evidence? Cutting the C-17, F-22, and Future Combat System programs — all of which Gates identified as unnecessary and put on the chopping block.
President Obama appointed that damn liberal peace loving Sec of Defense Robert Gates! Oh wait, Bush43 selected him for that job first. Hey is that the same Bob Gates who was Deputy CIA Director under Reagan and also Deputy Nat’l Security Director and CIA Director under Bush41? Does that mean Reagan and both Bushes are liberals since they originally hired someone Obama kept in his position?
July 31st, 2010 at 1:57 pmpoliticsobserver says:
Frugalchariot says:
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As it stands today, the Republican party is the most dangerous and potentially deadly enemy the United States has faced since the Second World War. And THAT is a virtually unarguable FACT. Save for those who like fascism, of course.
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The GOP need only be deadly to progressivism and its cruelties and its evils.
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Which of course means that the right wing has to work diligently to destroy the middle class, to destroy Social Security and Medicare, and to destroy the Constitution in order to make room for unchallenged fascism.
Progressives are their worst enemy because we fight FOR the middle class, FOR entitlements, and FOR the Constitution (except for the current misinterpretations of the Second and Tenth, and the wingnut war against the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Amendments, of course).
Today’s Republicans are a far worse and more dangerous enemy that Joe McCarthy’s commies ever were or wanted to be. And it doesn’t even take a witch hunt to find the bugger — they stand out like sore thumbs. Time we the people do something about them, before it’s too late.
July 31st, 2010 at 1:59 pmRepublicans are against government spending unless they can figure out a way to line their pockets with it.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:02 pmLOL. I like how you avoid explaining why. But I skirted issues when I was on the Left so I get it.
The sham profile is now complete…
Nematode is a “lefty”;
July 31st, 2010 at 2:02 pmNematode plays all the “lefty games”;
Nematode somehow becomes “enlightened”;
Nematode throws away brain and becomes a teabagger;
Nematode exposes all the “lefty secrets”;
Nematode expresses shame for having been a “lefty”;
Nematode has nothing better to do than troll a “lefty” blog;
Nematode spends rest of life sitting in a puddle of piss.
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I know a Black guy who is very happy about 9-11, and SB1070 because he now feels more accepted, and he is no longer the “boogyman”. The guy is real cool about it. He said he recently took a trip to Tennessee to see his relatives, and was only called “boy” 2 times.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:03 pmI wonder what politicsobserver’s cubical at the RNC looks like?
Calendar of Body Builders in Military Garb
Little GI Joe doll in the corner next to his monitor
Hello Kitty coffee mug
Fake photos of fake girl friend
Guns and Ammo mags
Little Gun lighter
Light Saber
Child porn hiden in his top drawer
You know, the usual loser pervy ReichWinger stuff.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:04 pmWill somebody get it straight! These right-wingers who claim to be Christians are the farthest thing from Christians! They are Old Testament zealots. Jesus would never recognize them.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:07 pmGregor, can I suggest a revision?
In y experience, Republicans profess to be against government spending while they figure out a way to line their pockets with it.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:07 pmralph,
That’s a good revision, and probably more accurate too :-)
July 31st, 2010 at 2:10 pmDon’t forget to keep those Bush tax cuts too, you bloated gas bag.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:18 pmdoing a bit of reading i find that the engine is being made by TWO companies working together on the jet engine.
The GE Rolls-Royce Fighter Engine Team continues its outstanding testing year for its F136 engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. http://www.fighterengineteam.com/
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The Republicans should just say it outright: “Not one penny of tax dollars for individuals making less than $250,000 a year!”
July 31st, 2010 at 2:39 pmPence “wise” equals pound foolish! How can that arrogant SOB look us all in the collective eye and come up with this stuff?! All of America should take his extreme hypocritical garbage as an insult. It’s the Big lie, the Bigger lier and, mostly, a country full of willing Big dupes.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:44 pmeuclid42 = A waste of flesh, using valuable air.
Man, these Cons are some of the stupidest subhumans on earth.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:50 pmI do think it would be interesting if congressmen were not allowed to vote on spending that occurred exclusively in their district as a conflict of interest and that any such spending had to be an unique and separate bill. Otherwise, I think with will have this rank hypocrisy until the end of time.
July 31st, 2010 at 2:52 pmThings like this absolutely piss me off — where is the media in pointing out the hyppcrisy and fallacious contentions of the repugs?
I seem to be on frequent rants against the media these days –but it is so goddamn frustrating that they fail to do their job – their appointed mission is abandoned for their partisan owners.
For example, today my local (Chicago NW Suburban repugniscum) paper with a very large subscription base, briefly noted the Congressional “dustup” between Rep. Weiner and Rep. King yesterday. No explanation of why it occurred, nothing of what was denied, what was the argument — nothing.
July 31st, 2010 at 3:01 pmHypocrisy and obstruction goes unreported.
I guess we can safely say that this particular troll is not among the “government spending doesn’t create jobs” camp, huh?
July 31st, 2010 at 3:12 pmAs nearly as I can tell, there are a couple, somewhat, valid reasons for the RR engine. There have been cost overruns on the Prat and Whitney engine and, apparently, the British will buy more F-35s if “their” engine is used.
That being said, the U.S. military doesn’t want the second engine because it would mean doubling up on spares, maintenance, and training. It’s being driven by politicians like Pence.
July 31st, 2010 at 3:23 pm96 some vomiting troll says:
From wall street to the hood … America is just full of a bunch of people who don’t want to really work for a living.
Soooooooo…maybe 95% of Americans, don’t really want to work for a living? When you include all of your categories, including those with a MORTGAGE…doesn’t leave too many.
OH! I get it…the only ones that want to work for a living are the SS/Medicare/Medicaid TeaBaggers! Oh…wrong.
OH! NOW I get it! The only one that want to work for a living are the GOBPers/RushTurdLican’st at all levels of “government” across the country! Oh…wrong (just more blood suckers draining tax payer dollars!)
OH! NOW I really get it!
Only the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS want to work! And work really, really hard! And that is why 10 to 12 MILLION came to America. To work…and to make money.
Thanks for all that enlightenment.
July 31st, 2010 at 3:35 pm97 jjm says:
The Republicans should just say it outright: “Not one penny of tax dollars for individuals making less than $250,000 a year!”
And even at that…isn’t the tax determined on the “adjusted gross income”? So after deducting for their kids, houses, bad investments and tons of other deductions, that all us little people can’t take (because the best I can do…is to take the standard deduction)…then they are federally taxed.
What usually seems to happen is that the more money they have…in the end, after all the lawyers and tax experts have hidden away their monies…they don’t pay much at all.
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Breaking News: Bachmann on her way to a full and quick recovery after being hospitalized for undisclosed illness
http://www.startribune.com/politics/99691794.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs
Mental illness?
July 31st, 2010 at 4:14 pmIP
Of course she is chronically mentally ill.
An emergency trip probably indicates she partied too much last night.
July 31st, 2010 at 4:30 pmThe F-35’s main engine is the Pratt & Whitney F135. The General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 is being developed as an alternate engine. To date, F-136 funding has come at the expense of other parts of the program, reducing the number of aircraft built and increasing their costs.
July 31st, 2010 at 4:32 pmThe F-136 team has claimed that their engine has a greater temperature margin which may prove critical for VTOL operations in hot, high altitude conditions. One must note that high altitude conditions are associated with colder temperatures.
WaltTheMan,
When discussing airplanes, “hot and high” actually refers to air density. At high temps and/or altitudes a jet engine produces less thrust, and wings provide less lift, due to the lower atmospheric pressure.
July 31st, 2010 at 4:41 pmPete,
July 31st, 2010 at 4:48 pmHigh altitudes and high temperatures are mutually exclusive. I am aware of Boyle’s Law and the Bernoulli Principle.
Does Pence know that al Qaeda does not have an air force? The Viet Cong did not have an air force. Hamas and Hezbollah do not have an air force. In Iraq I and Iraq II we did not face an air force. Grenada and Panama did not have an air force. When’s the last time we faced an air force? Are Iran and North Korea ahead of us in jet fighters? The Somali pirates? Are we fighting the Ruskies again? When you live in a military-industrial complex, there is never a peace dividend.
July 31st, 2010 at 4:58 pmInsidious Prophet says:
Breaking News: Bachmann on her way to a full and quick recovery after being hospitalized for undisclosed illness
Tea it doesn’t do the body good like milk does.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:06 pm“Pete,
High altitudes and high temperatures are mutually exclusive. I am aware of Boyle’s Law and the Bernoulli Principle.”
No, they aren’t. There’s also summer in high places.
Don’t try to reinvent reality with some basic physics if you face a globally accepted term that’s extremely important for rotary aviation and general aviation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_and_high
July 31st, 2010 at 5:07 pm@Keith:
North Vietnam had an air force, though – and it taught the USAF and USN many important lessons by exposing their flaws of that time.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:09 pmInsidious Prophet says:
Breaking News: Bachmann on her way to a full and quick recovery after being hospitalized for undisclosed illness…
http://www.startribune.com/politics/99691794.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs
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“Full and quick recovery”? Bad news. Always bad news.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:11 pmKeith @113
July 31st, 2010 at 5:12 pmWow! I thought the Viet Cong did have a air force.
Didn’t the Viet Cong Air Force try to attack the Tex-Mex border and Firebase Montgomery when Bush was a fighter-pilot in the National Guard? I could of sworn Bush talked about how he protected the border by flying dangerous missions fighting off the Viet-Cong Air Force, before they attacked Texas.
Also, wasn’t Bush decorated for shooting down many of the B-53’s of the Viet-Cong Air Force, before they reached his firebase in Montgomery Ala?
Sven Ortmann, good catch.
Chickenbone Bill, yes George was sure training to fight the Viet Cong when they swooped into Texas—but then they began including a dang DRUG TEST as part of the flight physical!!! So he had no choice but to stop taking the flight physical! Then he was not able to protect the skies of neither Texas nor Bama. He did show up once to get a dental checkup, however! Don’t forget that.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:37 pm108 Insidious Prophet says:
Breaking News: Bachmann on her way to a full and quick
recovery after being hospitalized for undisclosed illness
Did she use her GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HealthCare for that hospital visit?
Or…is she going to pay the full, FULL cost of a visit to the hospital? Did she go in via EMERGENCY? Like all those “terrible” ILLEGALS do? And was she admitted? ‘Cause I know that if I went to emergency and was NOT admitted into a hospital room, my insurance would be furious! And ding me up the ass because I didn’t go to some Urgent Care in a KMart (or such) OR just wait weeks to get into my primary!
Oh my such questions for CrazyShell!
July 31st, 2010 at 5:44 pmpete says:
As nearly as I can tell, there are a couple, somewhat, valid reasons for the RR engine. There have been cost overruns on the Prat and Whitney engine and, apparently, the British will buy more F-35s if “their” engine is used.
Interesting choice there – boost the economy by locating production here and creating supply of jobs, or locating production there and creating demand. It seems conservatives always choose the supply side, even if they aren’t fully cognizant of the choice.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:51 pmSven Ortmann,
July 31st, 2010 at 5:55 pmOne Air Base in that list, Edwards, and it’s a test base. Air ports would not allow VTOL efforts as they wish to preserve their tarmac and they also have long runways. VTOLs would also be discouraged on carriers which enjoy maximum air densities from humidity and have the advantage of the ship’s speed and can be headed into the wind to provide an equivalent air speed of up to 40-50 knots on the deck – that eliminates the Navy and Marines. During the Balkan wars, F8Us in the Mediterranean sometimes had to set their wing attitude to almost null lift in order to avoid being lifted from the catapult.
Walt,
High altitudes and high temperatures are not mutually exclusive. Many aircraft have been built with modifications to allow safer operation from such notorious airports as Mexico City. Virtually all commercial airliners operated in Africa have more powerful engines, and or weight limitations, compared to their counterparts for the domestic or European markets.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:56 pmGates seems to be a wonderful example of why forgiveness is such an important thing.
When he was with the CIA he did some very questionable things.
But since Bush made him Secretary of Defense from what I can gather he’s done nothing but good.
Indeed he’s done such good that he is the only cabinet member to have kept his job when Obama became President.
July 31st, 2010 at 5:58 pmI haven’t been following this conversation very closely, but I assumed Walt was referring not to the altitude of various points of landmass, but rather temperature consistency through various levels of the atmosphere.
July 31st, 2010 at 6:04 pmThe dogged determination of these Congress Critters in trying to force the Pentagon to take weapons it doesn’t need
just really reeks of some sort of corroption, payback, etc.
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politicsobserver says:
Subservient countries under Shar’ia law are best, eh?
WTF kind of non-sequitur is this? We’re the ones who believe in secular law. You’re the ones trying to impose theocracy.
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Anyone who was on the fence about whether our troll friend here had anything sensible to add to any discussion, I trust this comment would get you off that fence.
July 31st, 2010 at 6:50 pmMichele Bachman is worth exactly what any other human on this planet is worth, no more and no less, po.
July 31st, 2010 at 6:51 pmPolitical Moron: Shove it and take Bachmann, Bush, and the rest.
July 31st, 2010 at 6:52 pmActually, you’re the ones who believe in appeasement, which is it’s own form of religion. -=po=-
ah, an amateur sophist?
July 31st, 2010 at 6:56 pmXisithrus says:
Michele Bachman is worth exactly what any other human on this planet is worth, no more and no less, po.
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When I was a kid, we were told the retail value of the chemicals it took to make one human was about 98 cents. Sounds like a lot in Bachmann’s case, even today and with fifty years worth of inflation.
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Frugal: When I was a kid, we were told the retail value of the chemicals it took to make one human was about 98 cents. Sounds like a lot in Bachmann’s case, even today and with fifty years worth of inflation.
– - And in Bachmann’s case, of those 98 cents, 42 of them are subsidized by the federal government.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:08 pmI’m sure the plagiarizer troll is looking forward to Beck’s upcoming Aug. 28 insult of the late Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In that spirit, here are a few excerpts from a speech King gave one year to the day prior to his murder, on April 4, 1967. It shows how incredibly much in common today’s right wing nutcases have with King’s philosophy. In that sense, it’s very instructive.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:11 pm
OT.
We need to start hitting Rand Paul hard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Kentucky,_2010#General_election
The moonbat is doing way to well in the polls.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:12 pmAdd one more King excerpt to #140
“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death . . .
Amen. He was right. Thus it is written.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:14 pmpoliticsobserver says:
Actually, you’re the ones who believe in appeasement, which is it’s own form of religion.
A) No we don’t.
B) No it’s not.
You’re just mixing random words together at this point, aren’t you?
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politicsobserver says:
One Michele Bachmann is worth 100,000 progressives, you know.
Maybe in mental asylum reimbursement receipts, but nowhere else.
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politicsobserver says:
Subjects just covering TODAY
Go to Drudge Report main page, hit ctrl+A, ctrl+C, come back here, hit ctrl+V, pretend you made a point.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:18 pmFrugalchariot,
Dr. King was a great man, but the rightwingers will more than likely believe it don’t matter what he said because just the current President he was black.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:21 pm@Walt:
Hot & High conditions are a huge problem in Africa, in Afghanistan and the Hot&High extra power of aircraft with such rating helps a lot in Arabian summer days as well.
Helicopters without the power surplus of “Hot & High” rated helicopters proved to be much less useful in Afghanistan summer days than expected. Some helicopters were reduced to a third of their usual payload and were unable to fly safely when all seats were in use.
@politicsobserver:
Well, the civilian casualties of North Vietnam are estimated to have been higher than those of South Vietnam (and neither exceeding about two millions total, which conflicts with your “millions”). Whatever the commies did in the 70’s; they weren’t worse than the continuation of that war in America’s style.
I’m sure you can provide actual quotes of liberals who did those assertions on record – and you’re certainly also capable of telling us how events from almost 40 years in the past are still relevant today, with a completely new generation of politicians?
July 31st, 2010 at 7:35 pmYour turn.
Does obs not understand he’s being watched?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393173432219064.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
July 31st, 2010 at 7:36 pmYou’re close, ElBruce, but I wouldn’t say random words.
I mean, certainly pos is using words randomly in relation to their definitions, but the troll is following the tried-and-true wingnut formula of choosing words based not on their meanings but rather on their emotional charge.
Thus, to those of us who see language as a means to communicate ideas rather than emotions, the troll’s composition appears random.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:37 pmPoliticsobserver really thinks that America goes to war for altruistic reasons like liberating a people from a brutal dictator, getting rid of rape rooms, and preventing the Communists from massacring innocent civilians? Is he serious?
How come we’re not in Congo or Darfur? Oh that’s right…American corporations can’t PROFIT off that…
July 31st, 2010 at 7:53 pmRemember, private security companies are engaging in TREASON and APPEASEMENT to the Taliban to fuel the insurgency so that they could continue to reap the profits…if the allegations are founded…
July 31st, 2010 at 7:55 pmNo. Trolls are never serious.
July 31st, 2010 at 7:59 pmso why is this bullchit liar still a congressman,you cowards in indiana i’m talking to you.stupid asses voting against their own intrest.
July 31st, 2010 at 8:13 pmhar5125 says:
Frugalchariot,
Dr. King was a great man, but the rightwingers will more than likely believe it don’t matter what he said because just the current President he was black.
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Yeah, I know, but I’ve found that one can never spend too much time reminding Republicans just how stupid and shallow they are, nor can one ever spend enough time reminding them how brilliant was Dr. King.
It’s a tough challenge I know, but somebody’s gotta do it.
July 31st, 2010 at 8:21 pmPaying for a new engine on these planes is like buying a new car and replacing its engine with a new engine.
But of course these guys only pay lip service to average person, they never actually do anything for them.
July 31st, 2010 at 8:30 pm98 cents!! my relatives will be rich when i exit this realm!!
July 31st, 2010 at 8:36 pmludwig the followers of the jewish religion have overwhelmingly voted for democrats since the time of truman and prolly before
July 31st, 2010 at 8:42 pmpissedoff @138,
July 31st, 2010 at 8:47 pmI told you about reading those supermarket tabloids! Did you see the one about Armageddon on 9/11/10?
BTW, do you still claim to have hosted Philip Berrigan back in the day?
ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for a Troll-Free America™ says:
I mean, certainly pos is using words randomly in relation to their definitions, but the troll is following the tried-and-true wingnut formula of choosing words based not on their meanings but rather on their emotional charge.
True. I’ve posted many a word about the ways in which wingnuts use language and how it diverges from the rational method of syntax, meaning and definition.
To wingnuts, all words and phrases amount only to a variety of “dog whistle” tones intended to convey an intended response rather than any statement of fact. It’s more like music than language; more art than science. Sometimes I wonder what they’re like in real life, how they communicate in the real world. Do wingnuts gesture at the mashed potatoes and shout “Liberty! Freedom!” in order to have them passed to them? When a wingnut wants his kid to take out the trash, does he shout “Liberal welfare state garbage!” until the kid does it? In any case, it would make for a fascinating field of study combining linguistics, neurology and anthropology.
But yes, politicsobserver’s posts in this thread are pretty much equivalent to an angry dog barking at us.
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USCKitty: To the trolls, if You say something stupid, it will be noted. says:
Politicsobserver really thinks that America goes to war for altruistic reasons like liberating a people from a brutal dictator, getting rid of rape rooms, and preventing the Communists from massacring innocent civilians?
As rtwl reminded me above, politicsobserver doesn’t actually believe anything related to the meaning of the words he used. He’s just barking.
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sir.b.vonludwig says:
Today the marriage of Chelsea Clinton to Marc Mezvinsky is a stupendous insult to the state of Israel.
How so? I’ve seen you say this before, but I have no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about. Could you expand on that, or at least paste a link? I’m curious to investigate your allegation.
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benji85 says:
Paying for a new engine on these planes is like buying a new car and replacing its engine with a new engine.
More like buying a car that has a second spare engine that sits in in the trunk. Which you have to pay extra for.
July 31st, 2010 at 8:47 pmWhat on earth makes someone want to be a nonsense spewing troll?
Did they never get hugged when they were a kid?
July 31st, 2010 at 8:56 pmyeh, the logic of pence is odd here.
its like saying we should make three different planes to make sure one jet engine gets used.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:00 pmWhat on earth makes someone want to be a nonsense spewing troll? -=cd=-
thank goodness most of those pundit books sit in warehouses unread.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:00 pmwe need ten makers of the same f-135 strike fighter by ten different mfgrs. its in the deb urr interest of the taxpayers.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:04 pm“thank goodness most of those pundit books sit in warehouses unread.”
huh?
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From a purely military standpoint, having a spare engine for a fighter is like having spare rifles for your infantry. The military doesn’t NEED the spare engines, but they might WANT them to keep the planes flying.
Off topic, I have been wondering if some of the trolls have been banned recently. It seems that we are down to just two or three of the wingnuts. Did the Feds finally round up some of the more dangerous ones?
July 31st, 2010 at 9:13 pmTwo young people got married today. Neither of them has ever held political office or been involved in politics. One of them has famous parents, threw no fault of their own.
Some troll clown named Sir B, comes here and say’s these two young people getting married is a slap at Israel. How stupid does someone have to be to utter such crap, and then expect anyone to take anything this clown says seriously?
This punk sir b is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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No, Pence is supporting illogical, unintelligent ideas which makes an idiot on this issue.
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sir.b.vonludwig says:
151, why did you change your name? Did you get scrubbed? I can’t find any of your old comments.
Creepy stalker, sh!t.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:19 pmAfrican Americans have long been the group that has taken the most hate from the majority of Americans. Times are changing and now the Republican Party is the group that is the most hated by the majority of Americans.
Finally, we are starting to hate people more for who they are rather than the color of their skin. Bittersweet progress.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:20 pmpoliticsobserver, do you still claim to have hosted Philip Berrigan back in the day?
July 31st, 2010 at 9:20 pmJuly 31st, 2010 at 8:47 pm
“thank goodness most of those pundit books sit in warehouses unread.”
huh? -=cd=-
if not we would have more trows saying pointless things =]
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the military isnt a business poletick.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:30 pmWhat’s really sad about this is that the interviewer was so gentle with the question:
He gave Pence at least two “outs” for his response, and the dumbf**k didn’t take either of them.
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cd (temp spokesman for satan) says:
“thank goodness most of those pundit books sit in warehouses unread.”
huh?
There’s this weird old law regarding publishing that says if you buy 1,000 books and then return them all they have to give you your money back, but still get to count 1,000 “sales.” Wingnuts use this trick all the time to claim they have a thriving literary market: “best seller!” There’s an intentional conspiracy going on right now centered around megachurches and “think tanks” to try to bump the sales numbers of books written by right wing pundits using this method and others (and others).
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politicsobserver says:
Half of Obama’s economists are considering extending Bush’s cuts in the tax rate. Half of them.
Name some names. Or post a link. Anything.
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One can always call “reality” — or anything with which they disagree — “fear” -=po’d=-
i can also call a cow a cat but it doesnt change the way a cow looks.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:32 pmpoliticsobserver says:
Progressivism is all about obscene language and labeling.
It’s tough to make any kind of point when you guys just pick what you do and accuse us of it.
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Zooey (I am Patsy) says:
Creepy stalker, sh!t.
He wants to challenge him to a hand-to-hand battle to the death in the Arizona desert.
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Xisithrus says:
the military isnt a business poletick.
This looks like a great spot to drop the Eisenhower speech
July 31st, 2010 at 9:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
and no, po, disagreeing with you has nothing to do with fear.
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183 shut up, pee.
Bill Clinton has made a bundle in speaking fees, so it is their dime.
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you really need to start posting something to back up your assertions poletick
July 31st, 2010 at 9:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
One quick Google search later:
politicsobserver says:
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Keith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
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politicsobserver says:
But I see you confuse Evangelicals and Christians as making up all conservatives.
No I never did. You cannot comprehend!
Many are actually Democrats and liberal in all other ways.
I know that extremely well. Some are progressive, some socialist, and some communist. I admire Philip and Daniel Berrigan. Reagan aided the killing of a hundred thousand Christians in Latin America, including Archbishop Romero.
> > > > >
I think you did, because Evangelicals are the only conservatives who consider all abortion wrong regardless of stage and circumstances. You probably didn’t realize it.
Funny you should mention Daniel Berrigan, a very old friend of mine and a frequent guest of mine back in my college and post-college days. Haven’t spoken to him in years. Back in the day, I considered him a hero of the non-violent movement of which I was a part. A very spiritual man with a generous heart. However, I came to distinguish the peace movement as a Statist enterprise which was self-defeating and inherently filled with contradictions it has never resolved.
June 26th, 2010 at 3:50 am
Another nematode confirmed as a total liar.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:42 pmI wonder what politicsobserver’s cubical at the RNC looks like?
Calendar of Body Builders in Military Garb
Little GI Joe doll in the corner next to his monitor
Hello Kitty coffee mug
Never opened Bible*
Little Camo clothed Jesus on top of his puter*
Swasika Tatoo on his forehead*
Fake photos of fake girl friend
Guns and Ammo mags
Little Gun lighter
Light Saber
Child porn hiden in his top drawer
You know, the usual loser pervy ReichWinger stuff.
*Items my wife pointed out that I had missed.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:43 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
*Items my wife pointed out that I had missed.
How could you miss the Swastika on his forehead? :-D
July 31st, 2010 at 9:47 pmlooks like you have been caught in a tall tale po.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:48 pm174. Levi the Oracle,
Nice to see you back. I can see that the repub are generating distain towards repubs.
But I’d have to differ in that:
1) I haven’t seen a lunch counter refusing to serve repubs who are only allowe in the back of the bus. and
2) the distain toward the repubs is based on what they’ve done (you point) and isn’t generated strictly becuse they are repubs as an innate condition.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:48 pmActually, you’re the ones who believe in appeasement, which is it’s own form of religion.
Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Appeasement, my soul to keep,
And if I die before I wake,
I pray the Appeasement, my soul to take.
Amen.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:51 pmI didn’t really go anywhere, I just reverted to lurking rather than contributing. It is pointless to speak to any troll on any topic, so I continue to read and learn.
It just seems that there are a few less trolls. Is that just an opinion based on a snapshot, or has TP finally eliminated some of the hard core fascists?
July 31st, 2010 at 9:52 pmZooey, I was laying the trap for politicsobserver to deny what he said. But you beat me to the Google. I was trying to trick him into saying Philip—which would be a lie, since he said Daniel.
politicsobserver, is this true:
July 31st, 2010 at 9:56 pm“Daniel Berrigan, a very old friend of mine and a frequent guest of mine back in my college and post-college days.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/25/kilemead-robot-obama
#277
I agree that the hatred shown towards Republicans has not reached the levels faced by African Americans, but there are already Republicans I do not wish to have in my home.
It would be fitting for Republicans to end up being treated as though they were second class citizens; their hatred will come back to haunt them.
July 31st, 2010 at 9:58 pmYou are an insult to decent thinking people everywhere…
July 31st, 2010 at 9:59 pmKnowing you, you believed every shifting rationale for war…First it was Al Qaeda and Saddam…Then it was WMDs, then it was the altruism…Face it…You supported a bunch of lies and you supported the war without thinking…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:01 pmThe myth is that we have fought to preserve the peace around the world…and that we have done so to protect those in the countries we fight our wars in. Everyone knows that is a bunch of bullcrap and the real reason we go to war is that the corporate machine can continue to feed at the trough consisting of our taxpayer dollars…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:01 pmroboPOS
I think it goes without saying now.
Then do the world a favor and shut the phuck up. You’re getting boring. Again.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:02 pm.politicsobserver, is this true:
July 31st, 2010 at 10:03 pm“Daniel Berrigan, a very old friend of mine and a frequent guest of mine back in my college and post-college days.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/25/kilemead-robot-obama
#277
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/25/kilemead-robot-obama#comment-6245165
July 31st, 2010 at 10:05 pmnot to get anything started – nothing we didn’t know, and i’m resigned to the inevitable, hoping good regulation will temper it all – but this short article has some very interesting information:
Google, US Gov’t Back Same Data Mining Startup
Jul 29, 2010 at 9:39am ET by Greg Sterling
Their objectives may be different but both Google and the “investment arm of the CIA” are funding the same startup: Recorded Future. According to a piece in Wired both In-Q-Tel (the CIA investment firm) and Google will have a seat on the company’s board.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:10 pm[...]
http://searchengineland.com/google-us-govt-back-same-data-mining-startup-47611
Oh bullcrap…That quote was taken out of context…and Breitbart knows it…The clip is leading up to a life-lesson which you conservatives conveniently ignore, a story where one African-American woman overcomes her own prejudice after realizing that whites and blacks in the same economic class are in it together and that they had to come together to fight back. The clip he showed was a false one because it left the false impression that Sherrod is and continues to be prejudiced…when it is clear after looking at the whole 45 minute clip that she learned that it was not about race but rather about class…
You wingnuts are so damn lazy that you need a hack like Breitbart to do your thinking for you in 2:30 clips because to watch the whole thing would cause your lazy, shiftless brains to explode…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:10 pmWhat do these slimey troglodytes think they prove by camping on this site and spewing ignorance all day. If they want to tell lies, go to the wingnut board where they may have another bottom feeder buy into their b*llsh*t.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:12 pmkasinca says:
What do these slimey troglodytes think they prove by camping on this site and spewing ignorance all day. If they want to tell lies, go to the wingnut board where they may have another bottom feeder buy into their b*llsh*t.
They come in here with an entitlement mentality thinking that they deserve civility, when they come in here, calling us Nazis, comparing our beliefs to the ones that led to the Holocaust, calling us evil…being condescending, and then being totally narcissistic to the point where you’re willing to describe yourself as all-powerful…
Then they decry us when the predictable backlash comes…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:16 pmkasinca says:
What do these slimey troglodytes think they prove by camping on this site and spewing ignorance all day.
They are PAID TO DO IT, these are paid trolls. The all day 16 hours a day trolls are paid.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:17 pmThe fact that wingers and baggers are not ashamed to admit it, tells me how stupid they really are.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:18 pmThey’re useful tools…taught to hate the other, the chosen scapegoats of the banksters and the corporatists who run the country…They’re taught to fear those who do not look like them and are taught to blame them for their economic condition…
These people have legitimate beefs such as the corporate bailouts our politicians engage in with our taxpayer dollars…yet these people are so blinded by the divide and conquer game being played that they would never dream of uniting with us progressives and liberals who also loathe the culture of corruption and rewarding failure…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:20 pmwhoever said that clip was “false”?
i never heard that… what i heard was that brainfart created a false impression from his extremely edited tape.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:21 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
kasinca says:
What do these slimey troglodytes think they prove by camping on this site and spewing ignorance all day.
They are PAID TO DO IT, these are paid trolls. The all day 16 hours a day trolls are paid.
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In a word: WHORES
July 31st, 2010 at 10:21 pmA relative who does IT work did a job for the RNC by the company he works for and they have a few cubicals and some home personal who’s job it is is to disrupt and spread misinformation all freakin day long.
He hated doing it, but it’s what he does….
…ps (he’s muslim)
July 31st, 2010 at 10:22 pmKeith brought to you by the RDA Corporation says:
Zooey, I was laying the trap for politicsobserver to deny what he said. But you beat me to the Google. I was trying to trick him into saying Philip—which would be a lie, since he said Daniel.
Oops, I got the names switched. *blush*
July 31st, 2010 at 10:25 pmAnd you notice none of them ever comment on posts about them being paid…
…they are told to never respond to those posts, as a slight mistake will make it too obvious…
…one of our trolls made the mistake of admitting that he gets paid even if his posts are voted down.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:25 pm216, really?
July 31st, 2010 at 10:27 pmZooey, see, technically he has not said anything false, yet. He maybe only did an extreme weasel.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:28 pmBTW, I love Patsy Cline.
Have you ever noticed how they have a constant stream of copy and paste ReichWinger articles and reference…that is never ending…
…and no normal person could possible keep up with that amount of information and remain on the internet 24/7?
…it is because they are fed a database about todays on message, and a constant update that other RNC interns are updating tot that list.
…so just thought you all would like to know how they do it.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:30 pmwhat sort of goober would want this job?
July 31st, 2010 at 10:31 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
And you notice none of them ever comment on posts about them being paid…
…they are told to never respond to those posts, as a slight mistake will make it too obvious…
…one of our trolls made the mistake of admitting that he gets paid even if his posts are voted down.
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Makes one wonder why TP doesn’t take some action, do something about it.
Makes no sense for them to allow purposeful and paid disruption by what are, in the fairest sense of the word, whores.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:33 pmdbadass says:
what sort of goober would want this job?
A Nazi.
Just sort of wondered if anyone else here knew about how and why they can post and paste here all day long.
And you notice sometimes they split up and each take a thread.
You are debating PAID RNC whores.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:34 pmFrugalchariot says:
Makes one wonder why TP doesn’t take some action,
Me too, but then again, they do so provide everyone with a little mental release by their deprived and sick mindset.
You have got to admit that some of the banter is quite amusing.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:36 pmthere rarely seems to be any debating…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:36 pmapologies to all true whores out there
July 31st, 2010 at 10:37 pmHad to take a break from learning Flash CS5, 9 hours straight was tough.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:37 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
…one of our trolls made the mistake of admitting that he gets paid even if his posts are voted down.
You think trolls are honest…about anything?
July 31st, 2010 at 10:39 pmdbadass says:
what sort of goober would want this job?
The kind that can’t get any other kind of job, cuz they stink, have no social skills, or have an ill-conceived swastika tattoo on their forehead.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:41 pmwhat sort of child says “pie holes”
July 31st, 2010 at 10:42 pmMaybe after the party they can go drop an incindiary device on the MOVE compound…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:43 pmsir.b.vonludwig says:
The Uni-Tea Rally Philadelphia today was a stupendous success. A lot of black people were there.
No matter what color they are, they’re still teabaggers.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:43 pmAnd notice…none of them will post anything to refute it.
…they are not allowed to.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:46 pmAmWay is so white trash…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:49 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
And notice…none of them will post anything to refute it.
Hell, if I were a troll, I’d be running with the “getting paid” thing — especially if it weren’t true.
I know that there are paid trolls out there, but a lot of these morons are here because their lives are here because they can’t take being laughed in the face anymore. ;)
July 31st, 2010 at 10:49 pmZooey – The paid ones are easy to spot, too many hours, too many posts, too many cut and pastes.
The occasional one are just warped individuals with nothing else to do.
Quite easy to tell who is who.
Me, I just drop in now in then to get a laugh and do my part and VD the trolls, you know, make a smart ass remark, but I don’t hang here, I have stuff to do and just like the occasional chuckle.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:53 pmjust found, via an earlier post at C&L:
No $3 Million Wedding for Chelsea – and Other Rumors Put to Rest
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20406627,00.html
fyi…
July 31st, 2010 at 10:54 pmBuckie Boy (New Improved Troll Ignore) says:
Me, I just drop in now in then to get a laugh and do my part and VD the trolls, you know, make a smart ass remark, but I don’t hang here, I have stuff to do and just like the occasional chuckle.
Me too. This place has gone to the nematodes. ;)
I’m off to watch a movie. Have a good evening!
July 31st, 2010 at 10:54 pmDoesn’t it bother you to disrespect real veterans?
July 31st, 2010 at 10:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sven Ortmann,
Sorry, I was off preparing dinner and putting my spouse to bed.
I believe that Afghanistan has a climate equivalent to that of Upstate NY. In any case, aircraft there are confined to unmanned drones, helicopters and Naval aircraft. Scarcely even a single F35 class fighter there. Provoking an attack on any of the OPEC territories, Africa, Australia, Mexico or Northern sections of South America would seem to be both counterproductive and insane. In any case, the design of the F135 engine can be tweaked to manage any parameter offered by the F136.
The F&U-3 Cutlass sported the Westinghouse J46-WE-8B turbojet engine which was capable of powering the plane in vertical acceleration. The developmental contract for that engine, derived from the J46-WE-8A, was less than $100,000 or about 4 man years. The additional cost for those tweaks was about a grand per airframe, but then, the entire airframe cost less than 2 million dollars.
The added complexity of the airframe is not a logical reason for the increased cost. I have a $600 computer (actually 2) in my home that is (are) more powerful than a four million dollar machine from fifty years ago.
July 31st, 2010 at 10:59 pmugh… i should’ve read it all first… kinda lame…
oh well.
considering all the security and seclusion details, $3m sounded, while steep, rather unsurprising…
best wishes to the newlyweds and their families!
July 31st, 2010 at 11:04 pmAnd after being caught in a lie, the troll performs a change of suckpuppets.
As obvious as it is for the rest of us, the troll thinks he’s being oh so clever. After all, different name, same idiocy…
July 31st, 2010 at 11:05 pmI have another “comment awaiting moderation” above, I don’t know why. Anyhoo…
Frugalchariot says:
Makes one wonder why TP doesn’t take some action, do something about it.
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sir.b.vonludwig says:
The Uni-Tea Rally Philadelphia today was a stupendous success. A lot of black people were there.
Imagine what they’d say about us if we advertised our political rallies that way.
From your link:
Note the “will” in your citation. That means they have prior hopes for African-American turnout. If you get significant numbers, that might actually mean something. Good luck.
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sir.b.vonludwig says:
BUT the $$$ goes back into supporting my AmWay distributorship/em>
LOL. This totally explains the wingnut – somebody who’s happy to be abused, and who believes that the only reason being abused isn’t paying off for him yet is because he doesn’t have the “right attitude” yet. Tell me bvl, how many motivational tapes have you purchased so far, in addition to the various goods sold through the catalogue?
July 31st, 2010 at 11:16 pmFrugalchariot says:
Makes one wonder why TP doesn’t take some action, do something about it.
F**k, forgot to answer this:
Quite simply, because the question “would you like to spend $X on a progressive cause or on cleaning up the comments section of our blog?” always has the same answer. The peanut gallery down here gets no love, nor do we deserve any. When you consider the challenges facing our country today, I’d rather have the CAP spending the money on a lobbyist or whatever than on blog moderation.
We can handle the trolls down here ourselves just fine.
July 31st, 2010 at 11:19 pmTea Party Diversity Event: Pretty Much A Bust
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/tea-party-diversity-event-pretty-much
July 31st, 2010 at 11:21 pmkaty says:
Tea Party Diversity Event: Pretty Much A Bust
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/tea-party-diversity-event-pretty-much
Most of these people don’t even sound like committed ideologues, just generally uninformed folkds. I think the right wing’s prediction of how many people it can turn out to the polls this November may be a little overstated.
July 31st, 2010 at 11:35 pmBlah blah blah ’socialism’ blab blab blab ‘progressives’ blah blah blah ’some other random scary like words I can’t define’
Ok that was my little rant about how every single topic on TP gets turned into a mix and match on how bad socialists are (by the trolls) and then the inevitable ripostes that make them go cry or soemthing. Don’t know, don’t care- spill soem tears on a the open pages of a dictonary.
Right moving on..
12.what does that mean, “an extra engine”, a “second engine”?
could someone please explain, in simple language, please…
-katy
Not sure if anyone got this already, but one of the major factors in deciding waht planes we used to buy was it’s ‘fly life’ that is, how long we can keep puttign spare parts into it without fear of cataclismic failure. The vast majority of our losses in recent years has been due to mechanical failure or structuaral stress. The mighty Afganistan air force has thus far been a no show over Kahndarhar. ;)
Two engines simply provide that much more of a chance that if the very rare accident occures the plane can still operate. It’s helpful in a combat mission, but that vast majority of those even are air to surface strikes that present very little physical danger to the craft from the enemy even if it might result in accident or mishap.
The reason we’re buying these plane in Canada is to counter the Russian nuclear armed bombers who have been buzzing around just out of our airspace for the past five years or so. Ruskies are kinda arrogent that way eh.
Problem being, if push ever came to shove we have no defence from a nuke from a plane, to say nothing of one from a ICBM. At best, best mind you, we can use the old ‘clam bake’ method to stop the bombers. The clam bake is a air burst nuclear strike over our own territory to frag them as they fly towards targets to the south. Think of it as a radioactive depth charge fired up. It’s not pretty.
The money woudl be far better spent, up here anyways, in atomic ice breakers with independent commands and a tipped missile battery. …but thats not to sexy and won’t make (your) defence contractors any money.
Ironicly the ships would have to be made up here even as the planes cannot be.
(tell you what, we;ll even throw in a free, yes free, Cosnervative Cabiniet with the billion bucks- no take them, I insist.)
July 31st, 2010 at 11:46 pmThe first meetings of “The Sons of Liverty” were’nt such hot stuff either. But that changed fast! See you in November.
Ya. They were terrorists. Hope the FBI sees you real soon.
July 31st, 2010 at 11:46 pmUSCKitty: To the trolls, if You say something stupid, it will be noted. says:
UPDATE: A Reminder from Prof. Jacobson: The Original Sherrod Clip Was Not “False.” “The clip itself was what it was. No one is claiming that the words were changed or edited within the time span shown on the clip. The original Sherrod clip was no worse, and in many ways much more fair, than the clips and words taken out of context that we see every day at Democratic media machines.”
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/07/original-sherrod-clip-was-not-false.html
Well in that case, I’m sure that Rush himself sang that song about being Nazi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScW9r0y3c4
Enjoy. ;o)
July 31st, 2010 at 11:49 pmsir.b.vonludwig says:
The first meetings of “The Sons of Liverty” were’nt such hot stuff either. But that changed fast! See you in November.
The Sons of Liverty would have lost the revolution without the assistance of the Comte de Fois Grasse.
July 31st, 2010 at 11:50 pmAnd yes, I get paid too BUT the $$$ goes back into supporting my AmWay distributorship so it’s more of a stimulus package then a salary
… you get paid to front opinions on a public forum? Your fraud laws must be way weaker then ours.
July 31st, 2010 at 11:50 pmSir.b.vonearwig: Really effin’ stupid questions like yours do NOT deserve an answer.
Good grief. Retarded much?
July 31st, 2010 at 11:53 pmElBruce says:
[...]
Most of these people don’t even sound like committed ideologues, just generally uninformed folkds. I think the right wing’s prediction of how many people it can turn out to the polls this November may be a little overstated.
very uninformed…
but i’m not going to discount the possibility of all those uninformed pissed-off-for-the-wrong-reasons idjits finding their way to the polls just to appease their self-serving paranoia…
i do worry about dem voters lack of enthusiasm…
July 31st, 2010 at 11:55 pmthanks for that, PolicyNorth !
but i’m still not sure, even from your explanation, what it means -
as in, making the jet a 2-engine model, or just as a spare…
and, i hafta ask – just what is your poison tonight?!
August 1st, 2010 at 12:05 amand, if a spare, where?
August 1st, 2010 at 12:06 amjeez… that is a loud band… ___ vultures… on SNL…
August 1st, 2010 at 12:08 amdrummer looks familiar…
chili peppers… right?
August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 amkaty says:
thanks for that, PolicyNorth !
but i’m still not sure, even from your explanation, what it means -
as in, making the jet a 2-engine model, or just as a spare…
katy, it’s a second source for the manufacture of the engine, it doesn’t change the onfiguration of the plane. Years ago it was common to have the capability to manufacture most things procured for the military at more than one site, so if one factory was destroyed, you could still make parts. Now were’re lucky if the contract is even put up for bids.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:14 amLeftside Annie – brought to you by FOX Pasteurized Process Newsproduct says:
Well in that case, I’m sure that Rush himself sang that song about being Nazi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScW9r0y3c4
That was hilarious. Thanks for the link.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:16 amthis did crack me up:
12. katy says:
what does that mean, “an extra engine”, a “second engine”?
could someone please explain, in simple language, please…
13. Insidious Prophet says:
$1.3 trillion
i’m not sure insidious was answering my question with that,
August 1st, 2010 at 12:18 ambut it probably fits…
ok. i get it now, outstanding… now it makes a BIT more sense…
except for the part about not needing/wanting the damn thing at all…
August 1st, 2010 at 12:21 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
NO GUNS.
BUTTER.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:24 amVeteranFightingProgressives says:
How can a Godless, obscene person like you know what Jesus taught?
Unlike you, he read the book.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:26 amPence is typical of these deficit hawks of convenience.It’s a terrible thing that deficit Tard Bush left us with!Unless of course we’re talking about a useless, overpriced piece of pork in a particular home district. Pence is a Republican hypocrite!
August 1st, 2010 at 12:26 amkaty says:
ok. i get it now, outstanding… now it makes a BIT more sense…
except for the part about not needing/wanting the damn thing at all…
I think it was more important to have a second source when we feared the USSR would nuke us, now..not so much. If Al Quada takes out GE, I doubt out ability or lack thereof to crank out more F-35 engines will be much of a factor.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:27 amheh… way off, katy…
[Dave] Grohl formed Foo Fighters as frontman and songwriter. In addition to leading Foo Fighters, Grohl has also been involved in other musical projects, including Queens of the Stone Age …
and now, drummer for Them Crooked Vultures
August 1st, 2010 at 12:44 amok then… g’nite.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:44 amVeteranFightingProgressives says:
How can a Godless, obscene person like you know what Jesus taught?
Turns out, some of his buddies wrote it down. It’s called the Bible. Ever hear of it? Try reading it sometime. IP gives a pretty good summary about what this “Jesus” guy was all about.
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OutstandingInMyField says:
I think it was more important to have a second source when we feared the USSR would nuke us, now..not so much.
Right. When was the last time the U.S. was bombed? 1812?
August 1st, 2010 at 12:47 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
one last thing… this is pretty funny:
SNL – An Even Tempered Apology from Rahm Emanuel
August 1st, 2010 at 12:52 amhttp://www.hulu.com/watch/126490/saturday-night-live-rahm-emanuel
ElBruce says:
When was the last time the U.S. was bombed? 1812?
1941 if you count Pearl Harbor. 2001 if you count the attacks on 9/11.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:52 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
politicsobserver says:
Yes, Rolls-Royce makes useless, below-average engines. Pence is wrong. Pence should have looked at Rolls-Royce’s terrible reputation for sub-par equipment.
Do you have any citations, links or other information you could present in support of your claim?
Anything?
At all?
Ever?
Thought not.
Q: Why did you even bother?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:01 amElBruce says:
Do you have any citations, links or other information you could present in support of your claim?
I was just about to ask the same question….
So, Politix -care to point us to the post(s) that came close to saying what you claim they said? Or are you doing another one of your let’s-make-stuff-up-night tonight?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:06 ampoliticsobserver jabbers:
The Guns vs. Butter Myth
More material lifted off the Weekly Standard’s website. Yawn.
Have you ever been able to produce a single original thought?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:12 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
“Refusing to give some of the stimulus money to the best and bravest Americans who need it badly — to say nothing of demanding that their budget be cut — is both progressive and morally wrong.“
pos plagiarized this one from a deceitful, disingenuous lying sack of shit.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:24 amYes PolicyNorth, the proverbial line in the sand. Which side will you be on? America’s or the Clinton’s?
-sir von, in regard to the acts of treason alluded to on post 257 in a rebuttal to the post at 253
If it came down to open rebellion I would either join my own countries regular forces if it looked as though we would get involved directly. If it looks as though we will only provide material aid to the American government (though I really can’t see us not sending in the troops) I would apply for joint citizenship and serve in the Loyalist American forces against those who are in a state of armed insurrection against their legally elected government.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:24 ampoliticsobserver says:
The fact is that the idea that a dollar spent on defense is a dollar not spent on helping Americans is entirely false.
The overwhelming proportion of every dollar spent on defense goes straight back into the American economy.
Here’s the link you stole that from.
Simple question: what if the money we spent on the “military-industrial complex” went into something that will help people instead of something that will harm or kill them? Examples include: highways, bridges, fiber-optic cables, high speed rail and green energy intiatives. We’d have just as many jobs, but would also gain secondary benefits from building things that were useful instead of things that were solely destructive.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, the same guy who warned us about the military-industrial complex, also was the guy who built the interstate highway system which led to the petroleum-based automotive economy that defined the latter half of the 20th century. Without those roads, we wouldn’t have been the power that we were. The ability to drive from L.A. to N.Y. and everywhere in between seeded the U.S. with more strong local economic centers than any other country had ever seen before.
Yet when Obama talks about building infrastructure that will prepare us with secondary benefits for the next century, you wingnuts cry that “those jobs don’t count.” And yet when a right-wing congressman defends a program that only builds things to kill people, you wingnuts claim that those jobs help the economy. You can’t have it both ways: if building bombs is good for us, then building high speed rail is better.
At this point, it’s too obvious – you’ve shown your hand: wingnuts support spending programs only if they lead to murder and destruction, and oppose any spending programs that actually help people, even if it’s to help the American economy.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:27 am“you keep pulling the Obama administration to the left”
Yeah, right. Tell me another one.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:27 amElBruce, I accidentally voted you down – my bad. I must be tired, goodnight all.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:31 amWhat PO fails to understand is that the article is a strong argument in favor of government spending to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
I mean, I don’t know how else to understand this: “World War II brought America out of the Great Depression and into an era of enormous prosperity, or this “A very large portion of the defense budget goes to paying the salaries of something like 5 million Americans.
I’d rather see the money to go into other sectors of the economy (infrastructure, agriculture, research of new technologies, etc.), rather than put all the proverbial eggs in the defense basket.
But only dollars spent in weapon systems create jobs, if you believe the reichwingers’ rhetoric…
August 1st, 2010 at 1:34 amactive measures says:
do you people really think the RNC(or anyone else)would pay people to come in here and disrupt this site?
Nah. Those nutjobs do it for kicks. They’re not up to trolling 4chan, so they come here to try to get our goat instead.
Nor does TP actually get any revenue based on how many posts get dumped in the comments – ad revenue is based on ad click-throughs rather than page views; furthermore, the activity of the few dozen commenters is a drop in the bucket in terms of typical page view numbers anyway.
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active measures says:
that is rich.this site is full of true believers,besides if they weren’t here,what would you be discussing?
nothing.an “intellectual” circle jerk.
True – I do find it much more useful and invigorating to address the posts of psycho wingnuts rather than sipping tea and agreeing with other progressives. I’m glad they’re here; I find that I have little to add to the posts of rational commenters, but plenty to say to them/you.
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active measures says:
i hate to burst your collective bubbles,but the ‘wingers love the net roots.you keep pulling the Obama administration to the left,making it difficult for them to triangulate.
y’all helped make Sarah palin,and the tea party movement..ALOT.
I find it really hard to believe that we have anyting to do with her popularity, since we don’t really give a crap about her. If she got the 2012 nomination, we’d be overjoyed. Until then, she’s just another reality TV show.
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active measures says:
do yourselves a favor and start dissecting the articles on this site.follow the links,read all of them.
I do. What’s your point?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:36 amPolitico:
…months before any midterm votes are cast, John Boehner of Ohio is putting his own face on the GOP’s drive to take back the House by quietly launching a “Boehner for Speaker” committee that aims to boost the party’s lagging fundraising, in part by introducing him as a “regular guy” from Ohio.
Boner: GOP’s version of “Cash for Clunkers.”
August 1st, 2010 at 1:51 amAccording to the local Philly news stations the great tea bag rally had around 300 people. Hell, in Philly you get more people in any one of the city parks on a summer day just to sit around. A gathering of 300 people for a political rally in a city the size of Philly is a huge bust. Sir B. should check the water he’s drinking, because I think its been tampered with, and its killing brain cells.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:59 amhaha…that’s always a classic…
August 1st, 2010 at 2:02 amElBruce…getting an original thought from Politicsobserver/longredbillions is like getting a cat off your lap before she feels ready to get off…
Ain’t gonna happen…
August 1st, 2010 at 2:03 amGregor Samsa says:
ElBruce says:
When was the last time the U.S. was bombed? 1812?
1941 if you count Pearl Harbor. 2001 if you count the attacks on 9/11.
If you don’t count 9/11 then it was be the U.S. Embassies in Kenya(1998) and Tanzania(1998) that were attacked on the same day with truck bombs and our embassies are U.S. soil.
August 1st, 2010 at 2:44 amWhenever the last abortion clinic was bombed.
August 1st, 2010 at 5:56 amAn Obama veto really is called for here.
August 1st, 2010 at 6:30 amFox is all over Politico’s Journolis this morning telling us how this is the “liberal media” they have been telling us about all along.
The questioned how a group of “journalists” could get together and say bad things about Sarah palin and Rush Limbaugh, and what would people think if conservatives used the media to get together to say bad things about Obama.
I am glad the latter has never happened over and over and over and over again, whether you are talking about the verbal blog, that is right wing propaganda radio or the extremist Republican blowhard bullhorn, Fox News, which represents a real time audio and visual right wing media blog.
The funny thing is their ignorant and complicit viewership will agree with them.
How dare someone do what we pretend we don’t do every day.
August 1st, 2010 at 7:02 amWe can keep spending ridiculous amounts of money of the military and continue to ignore domestic spending. Eventually we will have the strongest military in the world protecting the most poverty-stricken nation in the world.
Thank God our troops will be protecting our right to scavenge from garbage cans and wear sackcloth.
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Von MORON
We KNOW what side YOU will be on. The side of ignorance and brainwashed STUPIDITY. It is the only tool in your shed.
August 1st, 2010 at 8:11 amSoldierSTUPID
How can an IGNORANT pathetic LIAR like you stand yourself?
August 1st, 2010 at 8:13 amPoliticallySTUPID
You conservaTARDS aer stupid and PATHETIC
August 1st, 2010 at 8:15 amPerry logan says:
When was the last time the U.S. was bombed?
Whenever the last abortion clinic was bombed.
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Tim McVeigh, OK City, if memory serves. A right wing screwball. I’ve said it before and now again: America’s most dangerous enemy on the face of the earth is her own right wing. Period.
August 1st, 2010 at 9:11 amTP, how can we invest money in your side business of selling clothes through your political website? It must be doing well for you to leave those comments there.
August 1st, 2010 at 9:23 amThat is the naure of pork. I always goes mostly o hose in leadership posts so one would expect these Republican leaders to be at the top of the food chain when it comes to pork. Duh!
August 1st, 2010 at 9:48 amThey have no shame
August 1st, 2010 at 9:53 ampoliticsobserver says:
The fact is that the idea that a dollar spent on defense is a dollar not spent on helping Americans is entirely false.
In addition to ElBruce’s excellent comment above, I would like to add this: The author from whom you stole that quote was engaging in a typical right-wing tactic of using a straw man argument. Eisenhower did not say that a dollar spent on a defense is a dollar not spent on helping Americans. Kagen’s entire article, therefore, is an unnecessary waste of time to read because he’s arguing against something nobody said. Eisenhower said that a dollar spent on a defense project is a dollar not spent feeding someone or clothing a poor person. He didn’t say it wasn’t being spent “helping Americans.” [That Kagen's numbers are suspect is a separate matter; his entire argument is false because he's arguing against a point no one made.]
August 1st, 2010 at 9:55 amWayne not to mention that almost ANY money spent by the government could be described that way. If the government just BURRIED money where it found you could say that. We subsidize a lot of American industry through the Pentagon. We do it that way to PRETEND we arent subsidizing industry. By filtering it through the military industrial complex instead of direct subsidies, to maintain the illusion, a sort of plausible deniability, we subsidize those businesses in a very inefficient way. So yeah you can say that money is helping Americans however a dollar spent that way helps a whole lot LESS than money spent helping Americans in a more DIRECT way and the rightwing HATES and violently OPPOSES money spent to help America in the more direct and efficient ways.
August 1st, 2010 at 10:00 amIn the middle sixties, my first job out of college (the job that kept me from being drafted) was in a defense industry. I worked as a chemist on classified research projects, principally involving chemical warfare agents including everything from mucous irritants to mind benders. It struck me then, and I’ve seen it reiterated time after time, that defense spending does provide jobs and disposable income to great numbers of people, and that money is, indeed, recycled as rent, car payments, food, clothing, entertainment, etc., same as income from any other source. The difference is, however, that defense spending results in nothing useful for society. Instead of highways, bridges, sewers, public transportation, and the like we get stuff that has no earthly use beyond murder and mayhem.
Imagine for a moment if the current 700+ billion currently being dumped into “defense” was spent on things with a useful end product — then try explain why we should continue pissing the national treasure away on something so non-contributive, so usless.
I’m not saying there is no need for defense, we do need that capacity. What we do NOT need is the capacity for global imperialism, for aggressive war. That part represents money horribly wasted, of the type which Eisenhower warned was to be our future if not controlled.
Interestingly, exactly one month after JFK wrote a National Security Memo announcing his intent to pull out of Vietnam, he was assassinated, and before he was in the grave that memo was rescinded and the new policy was one of escalation. We all know where that got us. Intentional? Interesting question.
August 1st, 2010 at 10:48 ammotomark says:
From 3-22-10…Glenn beck Radio Show:
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Why do you post this crap here? Can’t you get it thru your obviously thick skull that no one here gives a shit what that whacked out nitwit Beck has to say on anything at all? Or ever has had to say?
God, I swear you paid trolls are the dumbest shitheads (and the most dishonorable bastards) that exist anywhere on this planet!
August 1st, 2010 at 11:07 amMoronMunch
REALLY? Glenda Blech? You really are a pathetic MORON
No matter how STUPID you are and you are incredibly STUPID there just isnt any way to rationally blame progressives for the death of a president as liberal as Kennedy was. You dont really TRY for rational though do you. Just whatever idiocy floats to the top of that cesspool you have between your ears that attacks the left. My GOD you are stupid and pathetic
August 1st, 2010 at 11:08 amWell WRITTEN? Not only are you stupider than shower mold, and more brainwashed than can be believed you are DELUSIONAL enough to make most mental patients seem well adjusted
August 1st, 2010 at 11:11 amLooks like the fakedr is ready for his famous victory dance. Will he remember to wear pants this time? No one knows. No one cares.
Hail Mystic Patsy!
August 1st, 2010 at 11:11 amMoronMunchs constant self stroking is becoming sadder than most Shakespearean tradgedies
August 1st, 2010 at 11:12 amGlenn Beck is a moron, and I will always be able to buy my own beer.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:13 amSo if you’re correct, the LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK, at the most, or just a puppet of the MIC?
Early next year you can read my book which will clarify the matters sufficient that even a dumb shit such as yourself MIGHT be able to grasp.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:15 amMoronMunch AGAIN tells us all what he is WISHING will happen because what DID happen the last two national elections, that is EPIC buttkickings of the MORON RIGHTWING makes him cry to his mommy. When he remembers that the GOP LOST four of the last FIVE popular votes for president he just wanst to CRY so he makes things about about what WILL happen since factual reality is too painful for him to think about
August 1st, 2010 at 11:17 amFrugal
I think you are being optimistic. The things MoronMunch is able to comprehend is a VERY small list
August 1st, 2010 at 11:18 amOutstandingInMyField says:
Glenn Beck is a moron
No, Glenn Beck is not a moron he is worse because he makes actual morons look smart.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:20 amMoronMunch
KNOWS he is too stupid to even TRY to discuss issues so he posts Glenn Beck for no other reason than to annoy us. Since he KNOWS the majority of the posters here take NOTHING Beck says seriously. It would be like me going to Redstate or FreeRepublicanSewer and posting Noam Chomsky who is INDISPUTABLY a more intelligent commentator than Beck could ever HOPE to be
August 1st, 2010 at 11:21 amMoronMunch is a COWARD. Calling out ElBruce when he isnt here. It is probably frustration since ElBruce punks MoronMunch BRUTALLY pretty much every time he responds to MMs sad and pitiful bleatings
August 1st, 2010 at 11:23 amEugene Debs sponsored by the Church of the presumptuous assumption says:
Frugal
I think you are being optimistic. The things MoronMunch is able to comprehend is a VERY small list
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I know. I was trying to be nice. I think I only called him a shithead once. Maybe twice when instead I could have been mean-spirited.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:26 amMoronMunch
It takes very little to brainwashed a MORON like you. It shows how STUPID you are that you dont even know what a commie IS. You are a LIAR and a MORON. That isnt being a thorn it is being a petty punkass troll. You couldnt dismantle a sandcastle.
MOronMunch
STUPID, brainwashed, and shit in skull
August 1st, 2010 at 11:43 amIt is truly a “thorn” in the side of TP minions…my presence, my accuracy, my cerebral capacity, my laser accurate postings and…my dismantling of “all things progressive”.
I’m reminded of a Dagwood strip from a few decades back. Dagwood had said something nonsensical in the office. Mr. Dithers, the boss, overheard, and said, “Bumstead, if you had any brains you’d realize how stupid you really are.”
Same applies here. Thanks for the demo, motomoron.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 amfakedr: It is truly a “thorn” in the side of TP minions…my presence, my accuracy, my cerebral capacity, my laser accurate postings and…my dismantling of “all things progressive”.
Outside the delusional absurdity of your claims of victory, why is it that you consistently put words into quotation marks as if they were slang? Why, in this case, put them around “thorn”? Is English truly not your first language?
It’s been awhile since we heard about your Giant Brain, and thanks for the reminder. Since the content of your comments never demonstrates Giant Brainyness, these little squeaks of triumph are helpful.
Beck is an entertaining mouthpiece for the moderate and conservative voters/citizens that are being held hostage by the commies in Washington DC currently. He’s extremely good at consolidating these people into “armies” of Americans and mobilizing their efforts towards 2010 and beyond.
Comments like this as so unhinged that I worry you’ve given up on your medication entirely. Suggesting that Beck speaks for “moderate” (note the correct use of punctuation) voters is weird enough, but referring to the “commies in Washington” (again, take note) sounds like a bad pastiche of the John Birch Society — although I wouldn’t be surprised to learn you were a paying member of the JBS.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:50 ammotomark, you are a cartoon. You just lack the introspection to realize how ridiculous you are. Your suggestion that Eugene Debs lacks “personal inventory” is one of the funnier things you’ve written.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:58 amfakedr: With over double the viewing audience of all other news outlets COMBINED, I would safely state that my previous conjecture is true.
Time will tell. So far, you’re batting zero. Check Beck’s numbers against the network news, genius, before you make such absurd claims about “all other news outlets COMBINED.” It just reveals your ignorance.
fakedr: While you continue to point fingers at my cerebral capacity, a personal opinion based on differences in ideology, I offer facts, statistics and links supporting my opinions.
You’re the one who brought up your cerebral capacity, dummy. My personal opinion is based on observation. Your ideology clouds your ability to observe anything, including enough introspection to realize how completely blinded you are.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pmmotomark says:
330 Frugal-am I supposed to be impressed by your reference to a cartoon piece,
No, but everyone with a brain got a chuckle. You didn’t, no surprise there.
a blog post written by a self-admitted draft dodger progressive that offers nothing substantive but personal attacks?
I spent the war years in a laboratory working on and developing various ways of frustrating and interrupting the Vietcong activities in SE Asia. For some reason or other, those of draft age who were employed in critical stateside industries were not drafted. Hard to imagine, ain’t it? Esp. hard for dumbass shitheads such as yourself and the other idiots — nematodes — who do nothing but waste their time here.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:11 pmGlenn Beck – 2,296,000 viewers (576,000) (999,000)
Wow. O.7% of the US population. Imagine it. Say none of those actually voted in 2008 — if ALL of those were now added to McCain’s vote totals, Obama would have only won by 7.25 million, and not 9.5 million.
Phucking shocking, I say.
August 1st, 2010 at 12:27 pmmotomark says:
From 3-22-10…Glenn beck Radio Show:
“If you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.” – Glenn Beck
August 1st, 2010 at 1:02 pmmotomark says:
Frugal-hate to burst your bubble….no, on second thought, that’s not true…I LOVE bursting your liberal bubble…
Not possible. In fact, I expect you’d be challenged with a floating soap bubble.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:09 pmHey moto, I have an idea for you to test out just how much your hero Beckers is thought of in academia.
Go ask , oh anyone really, what they think of Glenn Beck- and I do mean personal like. Don’t just trust the sound bytes they spoon feed you in order to sell more of thier crap books.
Ask them some of the same questions I ask you about him if you can face up to the massive dissapointment that will follow.
I assume you know people who havea medium of education, or are you part of the ’schools are commuist boot camps!” group too?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:24 pmMoronMunch
You can project your inadequcies on me as much as you want but you will NEVER have a life as full as mine. No one as STYUPID and pathetica s you ever could. What can I expect of a brainless shitweasel like YOU who comes to website like this to tell stupid lies and spew out whatever Rush told you to think?
August 1st, 2010 at 1:26 pmMoronMunch
You do no such thing. You are SO stupid, SO brainwashed, SO pitiful, SO deluded and SUCH a LIAR, it is hilarious
August 1st, 2010 at 1:44 pmMoronMunchs head
Shit filled, useless, and up his ASS.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:46 pmMark.os.the moron
what university will you be attending after high school?
Funny how things work. I was going to ask you what high school you plan to attend once out of ninth grade.
August 1st, 2010 at 1:49 pmYet you are so above the fray…Truly sad when your modus operandi is using the personal attack when you don’t have anything…
August 1st, 2010 at 2:58 pmAfter all, why would a god like you need the personal attack, all-powerful Motomark?
August 1st, 2010 at 3:01 pmRight…you are the light, the way, and the truth…
You remain nothing more than a hack who has delusions of grandeur…So you’re a god now…can you heal our wounds?
August 1st, 2010 at 6:06 pmFor someone who’s in our faces, you sure cannot stick around for a nice discussion on the racist elements of the Tea Party…
What’s wrong, Bruce Almighty? Has your work as a god gotten too much for you to handle?
August 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pmFace it, “Dr. Hunt…” You’re nothing more than a poser who thinks he’s all that because he posts talking points from Breitbart and Glenn Beck…which I’m sure you did all the research for…
August 1st, 2010 at 6:08 pmFrugalchariot says:
Imagine for a moment if the current 700+ billion currently being dumped into “defense” was spent on things with a useful end product
The entire progressive agenda – everything we want – could be got for a fraction on what they’re spending on death.
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motomark says:
Since ElBruce is avoiding me on the other blog…
Where? Dude, I wandered away from the computer last night. It’s called having a life.
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motomark says:
you’ve neither the guts nor the self-confidence to put your “thoughts” about what makes America great in 1’s and 0’s for the world to read.
I have repeatedly. America is great because of its place in history. Before us, democracy was a pipe-dream fantasy. After us, most of the world has at least some democracy. We did that. That’s great.
The enlightment principles upon which we’re founded – equality, freedom of opinion and speech, general liberty, etc. Those are great too. Which is why I try to defend them against Christofascists like yourself.
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motomark says:
I believe in a laissez-faire government, and so did our founders.
Somalia is a laissez-faire government. The purpose of the Constitution is to establish a government, not to disallow one. That’s what the words that it says mean, starting with “we the people.” Not “me, him and that other guy over there,” but “we the people.”
In general, I agree with most of what you said regarding America’s greatness in #316. But the things we’ve done weren’t by accident. They’re a product of establishing enlightenment principles (inluding personal liberty) in our founding document.
In short, the answer you’re getting at is “progressivism.”
August 1st, 2010 at 6:13 pmBy that definition, man he’s been avoiding me every time I post something about racism and the Tea Party…
August 1st, 2010 at 6:19 pmI take it you don’t see the extent of your contributions being nothing more than going after our personal lives as well…
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ElBruce your once again making the mistake of believing what moto claims to think.
August 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pm346.
Markos Moulitsas, to determine how higher education can operate in this country. BTW…what university will you be attending after high school?
I take it you haven’t found anyone to tell you how bad your hero Becker is?
But oh, what WAS I thinking? Here I took the time and effort to go to University for four years to get a degree, I suppose it’s to much to ask you to drive an hour to your local state U and ask a simple question or two.
I mean you know, since you seem to think that your country is going to hell in a hand basket based on the word of a carnival barker I’d have thought that you’d want to at least get a tiny bit of confirmation that you (his) paranoid conspiracy theories have any basis in facts.
Chance to prove me wrong too.
Oh and it was Laurentian. Three of my professors, who I still talk shop to about current issues, literally wrote the textbooks on the subjects you are mangling.
I’d ask what school you plan on going to, but realistically, unless your last name is ‘Bush’ you aren’t getting accepted.
August 1st, 2010 at 11:07 pmOnly you care…
August 1st, 2010 at 11:45 pmYou know I have a conspiracy theory to pass on to Glenn Beck…and i want you to be the first to hear it…because we all know Glenn Beck takes this stuff seriously, as he should, because he stands as the bulwark of humanity, humanity’s last hope…
You know about the Illuminati, right? That’s only a myth…the true threat are alien bugs who engage in teabagging innocent humans and through the whole process, inject TEH GAY VIRUS into the unsuspecting humans. George Soros is actually an alien with 60 tentacles just waiting to infest more humans…
August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 pmAND YOU are the arbiter of what is meaningful and what not? Just because you can’t engage in a discussion about why the Tea Party needs to distance themselves from the racist elements infiltrating it? What about when I knocked down Breitbart’s sham of a video? Did you watch the 45 minute video yet?
yes, still reading Zinn?
August 1st, 2010 at 11:54 pmone of these days, motomark, you’ll actually contribute something meaningful…Delusions of grandeur, self-worship, personal attacks don’t count…
August 1st, 2010 at 11:58 pmGood, that’s all I’m looking for…a willingness to admit that there are racist elements to the Tea Party, but all I’ve been hearing is how I’m off-base or whatever and avoiding the topic from you, a so-called god, the light, the truth, and the way. When I see race-baiting, I’ll identify it. I have shown you the way that these people unwittingly or not are race-baiting and playing to the fears of the black man.
This is not a mole hill, the Tea pARTY needs to address the racism issue, and deal with it themselves. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, because no movement is going to be pure as we would want it to be. The Tea Party is doing all it can to distance themselves, but to be fair, it could be said that the response is perhaps a bit belated.
The edited videos, whatever…I haven’t even watched those videos so I wouldn’t know what you’re talking about. I have constantly said that the movement is not innately racist, I am loathe to call it a movement born out of racism. Yet, I see the race-baiting that is going on, by those who have co-opted the movement’s legitimate anger to poison it into one where fear of the black man in the White House is used against these people who are fighting the whole corporate bailout culture Washington is imposing on the rest of us.
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 amSo are you willing to give Shirley Sherrod the benefit of the doubt and admit that she comes off worse in the 2:30 clip than in the 45 minute video which you were going to watch? Are you willing to take my interpretation of the NAACP audience’s response as being akin to the African-American culture’s call and response mechanism where the audience interrupts and affirms the speaker? Have you been to a black church as well? It’s pretty common…
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 amThis was after you wrote…
So this either tells me that A) you DIDN’T watch the video, or B) you are still swallowing what Breitbart has fed you…
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 amNow the videos were a poor choice…I’ll grant that…because they could have baited the cameramen into running with a picture that is not close to reality…However, the examples of the signs and the race-baiting while intentional or not shows that the movement has quite a ways to go to clean up its act…
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 am1) Glenn Beck defended Shirley Sherrod? When? Then he deserves all the credit in the world for not falling for Breitbart’s con game…All the kudos for him…
Localized meeting, wasn’t it? They were duped by Breitbart’s video which of course you haven’t condemned as well…edited videos, Funny, I thought you were against them…
3)NAACP members were laughing at the comments about reverse racism made by Sherrod, and that should’ve been condemned…but wasn’t…either by the leaders, or you.
Again, I have stated that this is nothing more than a call and response typical of African-American culture…Have you watched the whole video or just the edited part? What about the part where the audience goes, “that’s right” when Sherrod says it’s about poor people, not black or white? Is that an example of reverse racism as well?
4)Yes, I have been to black churches before, but have never heard sermons that made light of prejudice…nor have I ever heard a sermon as vitriolic as Rev. Wright Black Theology manifestoes.
dOES Reverend Wright make legislation, vote on legislation, or sign legislation into law? Oh, that’s right…you want to connect him to Obama…whom you accuse of race-baiting…I sincerely doubt you when you say you went to black churches…I have every reason to doubt you, but if you have…well then good for you. You would know about the call and response method at how the people interact…and you would have recognized it in the full video as well…yet you chose to be blinded by a race-baiting race-card playing hustler…
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 amGood for him…I find it great that Beck had the integrity so lacking in Breitbart…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,597382,00.html
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 amThe right-wing has cried racism to the point where it becomes clear that they are race-baiting…Take for example a “wise Latina” quote…
You righties took that out of context to suggest that Sotomayor believed that she was better and wiser than white judges…when she was talking about judges who would rule on cases where they might not have had the life experience that a judge of her background might have…not that that should be an arbiter of whether a judge might rule fairly…but a judge with those experiences might look at the case in a more even-handed manner because she had a better frame of reference.
The whole Professorgate “Scandal…” Yeah, Obama was speaking for the African-American community when he suggested that Crowley had acted stupidly…Yes it was something that had to be said in that context, but as president, yes he could have had more tact…He could have made it clear that he was speaking as a member of the black community and used that as a lesson about racial profiling and leading up to a discussion about race…But hardly a scandal…just a bunch of right-wing crybabies overreacting and playing the reverse racism/victim cards…
Now this…
The problem with this administration is that they legitimate faux right-wing outrage and scandals that they dig up and react in a knee-jerk fashion such as this one. This isn’t the first time this administration fell for one of these dirty tricks, nor will it be the last if they continue this spineless strategy of appeasing the right-wing…
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 amcd (temp spokesman for satan) says:
ElBruce your once again making the mistake of believing what moto claims to think.
More like “accusing.”
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motomark says:
Somalia is laissez-faire? LMAO! Hardly.
No government intervention in the economy.
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motomark says:
And fyi…we DON’T have a democracy…it’s a democratic republic…BIG difference. The founders knew that…”funny” you don’t.
The term is accurate in the context within which I used it: “democracy” as a general umbrella term for any form of democracy (including republics) and not just “direct democracy.” They and I knew that. Your nitpick attempt fails.
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motomark says:
And I love the insinuation of “collectivism” in your response…no where in the Constitution does it discuss that philosophy.
I pointed out exactly where in the Constitution it discusses it. The entirety of the preamble for starters, as well as all of the articles empowering the three branches of government.
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motomark says:
Where in the Constitution does it promote “too big to fail”, or government take-over of private enterprise?
The new financial regulations prevent “too big to fail” situations. Laissez-faire schemes would promote “too big to fail,” with no check against it.
The location in the Constitution you’re looking for is generally referred to as the Commerce Clause. Heard of it?
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motomark says:
To your ilk, “we the People” is a preamble of the communist manifesto.
It doesn’t mandate 100% of activity being centrally controlled, but the purpose of the document is to establish the authority of the U.S. government.
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motomark says:
You’re NOT a proponent of laissez-faire, I dare write that you don’t even understand what it means or the definition.
Here ya go
E.g. Somalia.
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motomark says:
Beck is a self-taught man….but before you start drooling on your keyboard, so was Bill Gates.
Gates went to Harvard.
Besides, if Beck is “self-taught” then he apparently had a sh!tty teacher. Because he remains an ill-informed, ignorant fool.
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motomark says:
I posted complete videos showing how PMSNBC was editting videos of Tea Party attendees to implicate racism, when in fact, it was shown to be completely false.
No you haven’t. There are no videos that “prove” any such thing.
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motomark says:
You should be MUCH more concerned about racism in your ranks…in particular, in the WH and on Capitol Hill.
We’re good. There isn’t any.
August 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 amFrom your link…
Yes, because we all know how much the right-wing dredged up all those scandals and made mountains out of mole hills…
legitimate question towards a party that has used race-baiting and coded words to appeal to racism while campaigning for votes…Karl Rove did a push poll asking South Carolinians what they thought of John McCain having fathered a black baby, when he adopted a girl from Bangladesh…
Yes, I’m sorry if I wasn’t as concerned about Jeremiah Wright’s so-called racism or whatever…concerning about the so-called collateral damage over in the Middle East that is doing more to recruit terrorists than any “appeasement from the left” as you wingnuts charge…btw…I wish that Obama would do more to distance himself from our country’s addiction to war, based on furthering corporate profits…
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 amThe sorry performance of ABC anchors Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos in this week’s final Democratic primary debate should serve as a signal of the coverage to come. Playing gotcha with Democrats and patty-cake with Republicans will remain basic operating procedure for the mainstream media this year, no different from the past half-dozen presidential campaigns — except that the additional bias in favor of John McCain may make a bad situation worse.
Oh yes, I remember all the whole deal about the flag lapel pin that Obama was constantly asked about. Did McCain get that question constantly? What was the purpose of asking Obama that when McCain got a free pass?
Now McCain wasn’t pressed about his rather unsavory connections as well…such as Reverend Parsley…granted he wasn’t a personal pastor, but one would expect some questions over the whole Parsley deal as well…
I would be more worried about the right’s playing of the race card to conjure up faux scandals which Obama’s administration swallows and falls for…That is the real story here…
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 am“Listen folks–in my opinion, we all have to do what we can to kill ABC and this idiocy in whatever venues we have. This isn’t about defending Obama. This is about how the [mainstream media] kills any chance of discourse that actually serves the people.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/#ixzz0vQF4ptzo
Sounds like an attempt to get away from the gotcha journalism that has poisoned the Fourth Estate. It’s just too bad that we were so inundated with all coverage about Reverend Wright even when Obama distanced himself fairly or not…when McCain could have been pressed about Reverend Hagee’s comments about Catholics as well…Where was the Hageefest to counter the media’s obsession with Reverend Wright?
Is it because the media is also complicit in maintaining institutional racism as well? I know you’ll turn off as well, but somehow press coverage of an angry black preacher who was quoting a white ambassador who was talking about the “chickens coming home to roost?” Did the media do its job in pointing out that connection?
How come there was no outrage on the right over Reverend Falwell blaming 9/11 on homosexuals and feminists? How come there was no outrage when conservative preachers can cite Hurricane Katrina as God’s punishments for abortion or homosexuality or whatever?
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 amLooks like motomark, the false prophet is struggling with seeing past what his handlers on the right have told him to think…He isn’t willing to see past his biased opinions which he peddles as facts…He isn’t willing to see past what the right has told him to…
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:20 am363.
Ya. I’ma go ahead and call you a liar then on this entire post, so sorry.
And I’m a socalist, alluding that I live in a ‘liberal’ area probally isen’t quite the same insult you probally mean it to be.
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 ammotomark says:
PN-a socialist living in Ontario?
Wingnut discourse method – make fun of where the person lives, pretend you made a point.
At this point, the wingnuts have alienated not just every other country in the world, but intentionally alienated the majority of the U.S.A. as well, city by city, state by state. Eventually there’ll only be two wingnuts left, and at that point each is immediately going to try to expel the other.
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 amso your personal attacks are only tongue in cheek…right…
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 amMoronMunch
Not HALF as hilarious are reading your mind blowingly ignorant attempts to make sense. My GOD you are pathetic
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 am385 PN-a socialist living in Ontario? Geez…who would have guessed! Oh I’m SURE you have a REAL cozy relationship with those POS, ivory-tower profs, while you sit in coffee shops sipping lattes, waxing poetic on what makes America great, huh?
Don’t go to Alberta…your political ideologies would not be so welcome there…those people actually WORK.
A socialist canook….ROFLMAO
Ya. and all this because I recommended that you talk to a professor about how your hero Glenn Beck is actually lying through his ’self taught’ teeth. See, this is how I know you never were accepted to university and have great bitterness towards those of us who were.
That aprt I bolded up there? See, I’m not ‘waxing potic’ on what I think would make America great. I’m TELLING YOU that those things you have been saying and the conspiracy theories you have been parroting are wrong. It’s liek you know the language but you can’t quite work out the definitions of the words you are using or put them in the right order.
BTW- two of my professors where U of Calgary. One helped get Bert Brown sent to the Senate. And nothern Ontario isen’t exactly known for it’s east coast lifestyle or beatnik coffee houses.
But agian, don’t take my word for anything… do your in depth wikipedia research tools and look this stuff up mmkay?
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:43 pmThe welfare State in Canada is STRONG, as the hard work and efforts by some, feed the rest…just ask the Indians up there.
You have got to be kidding. I’d give you 10k right now if you would agree to live on a rez for a winter.
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:46 pmPolicyNorth, he was talking about how everyone including Fox was stealing material from him…as if he came up with the conspiracy theories on his own…
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