Buchanan argues against affirmative action: ‘One prefers the old bigotry.’
Buchanan argues against affirmative action: ‘One prefers the old bigotry.’
Today, in a Human Events column titled “Miss Affirmative Action,2009,” MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan continued his attack on Judge Sotomayor. He declared that affirmative action is worse than the “old bigotry” against African Americans:
Thus, Sotomayor got into Princeton, got her No. 1 ranking, was whisked into Yale Law School and made editor of the Yale Law Review — all because she was a Hispanic woman. And those two Ivy League institutions cheated more deserving students of what they had worked a lifetime to achieve, for reasons of race, gender or ethnicity.
This is bigotry pure and simple. To salve their consciences for past societal sins, the Ivy League is deep into discrimination again, this time with white males as victims rather than as beneficiaries.One prefers the old bigotry. At least it was honest, and not, as Abraham Lincoln observed, adulterated “with the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
This is the newest in a series of racist comments made by Buchanan since Sotomayor’s nomination. He has told senators to oppose Sotomayor’s nomination and “stand up for the white working class.” He even went so far as to assert that, because of affirmative action, “what is happening now to white men right now is exactly what was done to black folks for years.”
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Holy cow…is this guy for real?
He’s trying to make it into the big three…Boss hog Rush, Newt, and Cheney. Crap like this he might make it.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pmso, pat,
June 12th, 2009 at 7:46 pmwhat’s your take on “legacy admissions”? does that fall under the umbrella of affirmative action in your book?
Is it not obvious that the system worked to perfection here? I mean, here is a girl from the Bronx set to be on the highest court in the land. Oh well, I guess grasping at straws is all they have left.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pmBuchanan and his ilk are proof that “the old bigotry” never left.
It just gets more exposure, thankfully, due to technology that wasn’t around in “the older bigotry” days.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pmThat racist old scumbag can kiss my ass.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:49 pmThus, Sotomayor got into Princeton, got her No. 1 ranking, was whisked into Yale Law School and made editor of the Yale Law Review — all because she was a Hispanic woman.
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If this is the response the RNC chooses to tolerate, the party is doomed! Buchanan not once sited Sotomayor acheiving anything on merit. I am white male and I am shocked this a##hole Buchanan would attempted to appeal to the racial bigot level. Buchanan can go to hell!
June 12th, 2009 at 7:49 pmAlso in the column:
Pat Buchanan has just laid out the justification for Affirmative action. All Ms. Sotomayor needed was to get a foot in the door to her worth.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pmOff Topic but some preacher is praying for the death of Obama:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/pastor-drake-prays-obamas-death-im-not
June 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm“what is happening now to white men right now is exactly what was done to black folks for years.”
Cool, now when can we start that slavery, lynching, and forced segregation of those white guys? And will it be on pay-per-view?
Uncle Pat has jumped the shark.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pmBuchanan has always been a stone cold racist. Why MSNBC would give this guy a forum to spew his racist crap is beyond me. The only difference between the guy who killed the guard in DC, is that Buchanan has only used words up to this point.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmThere seems to be a passive, entrenched bigotry promoted by the MSM. The networks always appear to bring on the same busted, racist (Buchanan) or misogynist (Juan Williams) pundits repeatedly; as if engaging in sexual harassment or racism is unimportant when airing opinions about…racism or sexual harassment.
So prevalent is this practice by the compliant, manipulative media that people accept these prick pundits out of sheer familiarity and repetition rather than doing what we should do: turn them off.
We want, nay, are starved for real journalism, but keep accepting sh¡t sandwiches from the very people who were dead wrong time after time the last eight years.
..and it still tastes like sh¡t.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThat’s all affirmative action does: get traditionally disadvantaged groups a foot in the door. The person is on his/her own after that.
June 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm17. AmericasBack Says: How does a troll defend this kind of thing?
They blame it on liberals, Obama, the Clenis…when logic doesn’t work, or warped logic doesn’t work, they go for absurd; like calling von Brunn a democrat or a leftist…
June 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pmHow does a troll defend this kind of thing?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pmAffirmative action is working so they want to shut it off. Social Security is working so they want to shut that off, as well. These pigs argue that we shouldn’t have such programs because they work.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pmSomeone put this man out of our misery– fire him, retire him, but get rid of him.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pmWe are living through an extraordinary time, when many people, ideas and institutions are showing that have outlived their usefulness. Buchanan is the poster child. Time to be silenced.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pmGood ol’ boy race baiter Buchanan didn’t do his homework as it was some of those same working class white men that voted for Obama-Biden.
Buchanan is a bitter because he knows he doesn’t matter any longer. Although, I like “Hardball” except when Buchanan appears on the show that’s when I go read The Huffington Post and TP.
FDR said it best.
It takes a long time to bring the past up to the present.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm-Franklin D. Roosevelt
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again — I hope Pat keeps talking this kind of crap, and that he’s echoed by Herr Rushbo, MAnn Coulter, Beck, Manatee, and the rest of the tinfoil hat-wearing crowd. The more they spew this absolute lunacy, the more the moderate citizens of this country will see the reich wing for what they truly are — a bunch of wacked-out, violence-inciting, bigoted, hateful, foaming-at-the-mouth, small-minded nutjobs.
Keep talking Pat — you’re helping bring the right wing down a little more every day!
June 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pmPaleo-cons…
June 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pmSoon the paleo-cons will be arguing that their brains are pinker than other brains, maybe blobbier, or heavier, or lighter, more folds…
June 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pmI have to hand it to Pat — his racism wrapped in a faux-logical cloth has kept him hanging on at MSNBC way longer than the two weeks Imus was able to muster. Criticism slides off of him.
That was admitting the problem. Now comes the solution: Pat’s own words need to tar him for a change so we can feather him.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pmAs livelongandprosper and Dru Phlea have already noted, Pat has described a textbook justification of affirmative action.
This outstanding jurist, who earned top academic rankings in the most elite schools in the nation and is on the verge of confirmation for a seat on the Supreme Court, has demonstrated that she absolutely deserved the opportunity she would have been denied had the “old bigotry” been still in force.
Unless Pat is trying to suggest that Judge Sotomayor’s class rankings were also he result of affirmative action, in which case, what objective criteria could possibly satisfy this old fool?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pmThis is one of the most intellectually dishonest posts I’ve seen on ThinkProgress ever.
You don’t have to be a paleocon to recognize Buchanan’s intention here. Today’s racism is defended by a ‘moral purpose’ that seeks more inclusion. The ‘old bigotry’ to which Buchanan alludes was open in its hostility. It was honest, not obscured by high-minded ideological pursuits of ‘equality’ and thus not defended as being anti-racist.
Racism is racism. Defending it on the basis that it is absolving past sins is illogical, ignorant, and dishonest to the true character of ‘all men are created equal.’
June 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pmAB,
June 12th, 2009 at 8:47 pmyavola is just a CnP spammer.
Wait. I have seen frats stick together, hire and promote their own. Yale and Harvard alumni do this, is that affirmative action or just team spirit?
Which is it Pat?
Condi Rice, did she get where she is because of affirmative action?
June 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pmEven if you accept Buchanan’s premise that affirmative action is reverse racism, then “the new racism” is considerably preferable to “the old racism.” If you accept the premise that the people getting help from affirmative action are a privileged class and that white males are oppressed, that’s still more groups constituting “privileged” and fewer groups counting as “oppressed.”
Of course the entire premise is false, and this entire concocted fantasy of reverse racism is merely a front for “the old racism,” period.
Also, this implication that racism has the virtue of honesty rings as hollow as Limbaugh’s claims that racism has the virtue of courage. There is nothing virtuous about being racist.
If Buchanan goes on the air again – especially at MSNBC – then whatever topic they were on should suddenly be discarded and he should be asked about these statements exclusively. He should not be allowed to bloviate on anything else with this big ugly elephant in the room, as if his opinions had any form of merit.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:56 pmseaspeas Says:
Racism is racism. Defending it on the basis that it is absolving past sins is illogical, ignorant, and dishonest to the true character of ‘all men are created equal.’
Affirmative action is not racism. Repairing inequities is not the same thing as vengeance.
All affirmative action seeks to do is to create a level playing field in society. This is what the racists oppose.
June 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pmQuestion:
June 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pmwithout affirmative action to blame, how will the cancervatives convince their loser base that they’re not losers?
I was wondering if affirmative action was so necessary anymore, until racists and racists with guns started popping out of the woodwork over the nomination of a moderate Latina. We have much farther to go on race issues than I had previously thought, but we’re working on it.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pmOf course “one” does, especially if “one” is an old white man who never faced a lynching for trying to vote…
June 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pmMy Dad, as a veteran, was admitted to MIT at the end of WW2 under the G.I.Bill. He was admitted ahead of people who had better scores and he was lacking some courses that were required for non-veterans. It was a free ride, until he went back for two separate Master’s in physics and industrial engineering. He was a pretty bright guy who made the most of an opportunity granted him by a grateful nation.
Would Patsy be screeching “affirmative action” or “bigotry” if he heard my Dad’s story?
June 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pmpatty is all pissed off because his dumbass couldn’t do a fraction of what she did, with a 75% lead on his behalf.
Also think how ahead and better the US would be if it weren’t for stinkin racist like him.
Judge Sotomayor is more than worthy to be a JotSC.
These nutjob teabaggers shouldn’t have a say in who’s worthy and who isn’t worthy to serve. I don’t know of one decent repug that’s worthy to serve and neither can they. If they did they would have a decent, viable, credible leader for their club.
I want to hear from the other parties. Not from just this nut club.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pmThat’s an excellent example, pete.
Pat’s “old bigotry” is based on the false premise that measuring performance in light of unequal opportunity is a simple matter of the numbers.
In fact, people across all segments of society do not face equal opportunity for things like education, and to assume that test scores tell the story of each person’s potential is absurd.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pmPat, didnt you get GHWBs message?
Shhhh.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:24 pmBuchanan has finally gone off the deep end. The privileged doughy white misogynistic male is terrified of the brown people – especially the brown women.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm*
Did Pat Buchanan ever use his white skin to his advantage or to get ahead in life?
June 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pmThanks ralph.
The whole Reichwing seems to ignore the fact that affirmative action isn’t about denying anything to anybody. It’s about giving promising people with disadvantages an opportunity. And they are oblivious to the fact that those who can’t hack it are flunked out or fired. The cases where someone clearly more qualified is denied a position are regrettable but, they are also very rare.
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This is one of the most intellectually dishonest posts I’ve seen on ThinkProgress ever.
You don’t have to be a paleocon to recognize Buchanan’s intention here. Today’s racism is defended by a ‘moral purpose’ that seeks more inclusion. The ‘old bigotry’ to which Buchanan alludes was open in its hostility. It was honest, not obscured by high-minded ideological pursuits of ‘equality’ and thus not defended as being anti-racist.
Racism is racism. Defending it on the basis that it is absolving past sins is illogical, ignorant, and dishonest to the true character of ‘all men are created equal.’
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seaspeas,
I am calling you on this one. A Blackman lives in the Whitehouse and the old white Republican establishment is outraged. Cheney/Bush’s incompetence doesn’t hold a candle to the infuriation they are displaying for a Black President”. Don’t dress this up with pontifications. Affirmative Action provided many Black People the chance to escape the stereotype of race. The country is better off for it.
P.S. It is my humble opinion Obama has out classed the previous president and I am glad we have him. Sotomayor’s nomination to the Supreme Court is an outstanding choice and what a class act.
Brave New World
June 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pmNat Says:
Pat Buchanan has just laid out the justification for Affirmative action. All Ms. Sotomayor needed was to get a foot in the door to her worth.
Dru Phlea
That’s all affirmative action does: get traditionally disadvantaged groups a foot in the door. The person is on his/her own after that.
Which I know for a fact, they have to double/triple prove themselves up to the task.
Number one patty, affirmative action helps more whites, white women.
Number two, affirmative action tries to right hundreds of years of undue white men privilege.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pmPat Buchanan is really establishing himself as the court jester of Republican politics. If he didn’t laugh hysterically every now and then, the King would have had him drawn and quartered. Maybe waterboarded. Guillitoined?
Isn’t it amazing how almost every spokesman for the Republican Party comes off as an absolute idiot? Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Newt Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson…ad nauseam…the whole lot of them talk like they’re mentally retarded. A traveling freak show. These pathetic jerks are the kind of Republicans that scare me, not the old kind of Republicans I used to know. They were intellectual giants compared to these Rupert Murdoch-Zionist sponsored psychos.
Do these idiot Republicans really believe the American public is as stupid as they are? Not unless they dropped out of the third grade.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:51 pmrepublicanSScareme Says: “Do these idiot Republicans really believe the American public is as stupid as they are? Not unless they dropped out of the third grade.”
Understand that this is exactly the demographic they are targeting with their hate speech…
June 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pmI wonder how George Dufous Bush got into Yale….
June 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pmWhat’s crazy to me is how Buchanan is bytching and moaning about Affirmative Action and reverse rascism when white males still dominate most industries/professions.
The SCOTUS and Congress and the media and nearly all the banks on Wall Street are controlled by white males. When I go to work, all I see are white males – in control. Yet Buchanan expects sympathy because of Affirmative Action allowing a few non-white folks and white women to have an opportunity to succeed?! WTF?! Outrageous! Cry me a fu(king river!
June 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pmnoseeum Says:
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I wonder how George Dufous Bush got into Yale…
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Great angle, like it!!!!
June 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pmHow can you tell?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pmPat, Rush, Hannity and the GOP et al should just keep talking, the more they talk, the more they become extinct and/or obsolete.
Time marches on either they are going to get with the program or stay stuck with no ideas?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pmrepublicanSScareme Says:
Pat Buchanan is really establishing himself as the court jester of Republican politics.
I don’t see anybody laughing. This whole debate just got stone-cold serious.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pmI gotta say I’m grateful to Pat for coining the very useful phrase “the old bigotry”.
I foresee using that one a lot.
Thanks Pat.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pmI wonder how George Dufous Bush got into Yale….
I’m guessing it was Affluential Action
June 12th, 2009 at 10:14 pm“The Ivy league is discriminating.. with white males as (its) victims”
oh yeah, YOUR grandkids could not get into a Ivy League school because of all them GREASY FORIEGNERS. not because he was a drooling idiot like his forefathers.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pmnoseeum @ 60 you made me spit up my wine with laughter good post.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pmI didn’t hear a lot of criticism for Clarence Thomas from Pat when Thomas was nominated – probably because Thomas votes against affirmative action despite having undeniably benefitted from it.
So Pat and Clarence must themselves be a part of the “new” racism
June 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Everytime I hear this bigot speak I turn the channel. I would rather beat myself in the head with a hammer.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:46 pmAffirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:50 pm“Thus, Sotomayor got into Princeton, got her No. 1 ranking, was whisked into Yale Law School and made editor of the Yale Law Review — all because she was a Hispanic woman. And those two Ivy League institutions cheated more deserving students of what they had worked a lifetime to achieve, for reasons of race, gender or ethnicity.
This is bigotry pure and simple. To salve their consciences for past societal sins, the Ivy League is deep into discrimination again, this time with white males as victims rather than as beneficiaries.”
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Buchanan’s just bitter because being a white male no longer promises the same advantages, opportunities, privileges, and assurances that it used to when he was young — which is probably at least in part why he also said “one prefers the old bigotry”. White males no longer hold the virtually unchallenged monopoly on social, financial, political, and professional power that they held for centuries up until as little as fifty years ago. Ever since the civil rights and women’s liberation movements, our culture has over the last few decades been increasingly demanding that white males (*GASP*) share their power with women and minorities — and some people like Buchanan quite simply don’t want to do that. However, as any student of human nature will tell you, people who are in power almost never give way voluntarily or even willingly when asked to concede any of their power — and that goes double for people who’ve held that power more or less uncontested and/or for a long period of time. In fact, more often than not, they fight tooth and nail to hang onto as much of their power as they possibly can. After all, when the power in question has been political, this is one of the ways in which civil wars have been started!
Buchanan only succeeds in proving three things through his criticism of and condescension towards Sotomayor (since his remarks assumed and implied that she couldn’t possibly have been qualified to attend either Princeton or Yale, and that just about anyone who was denied admission must have been more qualified than she was):
1) That he’s a bigot (no surprises there),
2) That he feels incredibly threatened by her (again, no surprises there…people usually don’t feel angry at or prejudiced towards people who they know have no power to hurt them),
and…
3) that the Freudian defense mechanism of projection continues to plague conservatives in positively pandemic proportions.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:50 pmHi Daryll.
About that post you made in December, where you said…
“The bible says that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.”
I STILL haven’t found the passage that says that. Could you enlighten me? You seem to know your Bible passages.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pmGood News! Ahmadinejad has won the election in Iran!
Ahmadinejad leads Iran vote, challenger defiant
I am glad he won. He stands for the Iranian people and wasn’t a US puppet like that stupid Green Movement lead by Mirhossein Mousavi. Iran is a poerful nation, even you Americans fear us.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:01 pmShorter Buchanan: I prefer mutual nut scratching cronyism.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:02 pmObama fears Iran, you miliktary fears Iran. We are strong and you are weak! Americans are cowards.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pmOff Topic but too funny not to share:
TPM reports thatTea Baggers co-opt communist symbol and now are into fisting.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Ahmadinejad is the most popular leader the world over. He is a giant and your monkey Obama is a midget.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pmAn idle mind is the devils workshop?
Seems like the folks who work to gin up war stay quite busy making stuff up.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pmSorry. the link failed
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/tea-party-group-co-opts-communist-symbol.php#comments
June 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pmPresident Obama turned over a HUGE rock when he nominated Judge Sotomayor. We’re seeing the ugliest aspects of American life that has never died. Rascism/bigotry is an ugly, ugly issue but it must be addressed. Pat Buchanan is a constant reminder of this fact.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pmReza Says:
Evening, P.
Isn’t that bait a little … aged?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:13 pmReza Says:
This is a progressive site, Reza, if you want to spout your own version of racism and warmongering, try the freeper sites, you’ll get the kind of attention you are seeking over there with the Republican neo-cons.
In the meantime, know that on this side of cyber-space we wish you peace, prosperity, and freedom.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:15 pmIsn’t that bait a little … aged?
Ewww…ackk…spitooey….
June 12th, 2009 at 11:16 pmlooktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society.
More a redressment for past outrage.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:16 pmI wonder if Reza is a new troll or one our regular trolls?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:18 pmIt’s Mr. President, or P, for short. he’s done this bit before.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:20 pmWhere’s Daryll?
I wanted to hear how his latest missionary/exploitation venture was going.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:22 pmWith regard to posts 68, 70, and 72…
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL — especially since it’s fairly obvious that he has no real interest in rational or respectful debate. It seems likely that all he’s trying to do is flame-bait…which is why he’s been flagged.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:22 pmshes a mexican racist
June 12th, 2009 at 11:25 pmIs that what we are reduced to? Terrorist trolls? Do they forget that online conversations can be watched and arrests have been made? And, while I swore long ago to ignore Darryl forever, I am going to explain why I find him more disgusting than I did before.
Darryl, until you publicly proclaim that violence against lawful civilians is murder? You’re supporting terrorism in your own country and around the world. Silence is complicity. Until you renounce the violence of your insane brethren you are a terrorist and enabler of terrorists.
And until you decide to be civilized? I would suggest that you refrain from posting online. Heck! It might be a good idea to get busy erasing your history. Otherwise the next knock on your door may be the law coming for you. You never know when one of your friends will make you an accessory to murder.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:26 pmnoseeum,
June 12th, 2009 at 11:26 pmYou just proved how pussy America is. That is why Iran would clobber you in a war. You kill one of us, we celebrate. We kill one of you youi cry like women. American are gays, Iranians are real men. Your Marines wouldn’t last against us.
america wouldnt waste their time with iran, we will let israel squash you dirty muslim cockroaches.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:27 pmJimmy Big Bucks,
June 12th, 2009 at 11:31 pmYou wouldn’t let Israel fight. If they kill a Muslim your media attacks them and you protest. They are weak and we will soon nuke them. Watch aqnd your own media will support us.
Go get’em, Jimmy!
Give it to him — in the shorts!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:32 pmNo, Reza! Lead with the right!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pmAw, the Kerkos has morphed again..
June 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pm=8 teabag him tiny bucks!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:36 pmDon’t tell me you guys are winded already!
C’mon, Reza! You gonna’ take that from him?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:36 pmbarfly,
June 12th, 2009 at 11:37 pmYou liberals that supported us will be easy to beat. We kill a soldier and you protest and cry like girls. Obama is a coward and no matter how much he kisses our ass, we will never be nice to him. America is finished and Iran is rising!
Heeeere’s Jimmy!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:38 pmhttp://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0812-1017-1448_Black_and_White_Cartoon_of_a_Freckle_Faced_Buck_Tooth_Boy_clipart_image.jpg
Jimmy, playing rope-a-dope?
Get back in there, you bum!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:39 pmAw c’mon. Did I make popcorn for this? Let’s get it on!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:39 pmReza, it seems Jimmy has lit out.
He’s not your typical American — we don’t run that fast.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:41 pmJimmy… How many fingers?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:42 pmits obvious reza is a pretend iranian, just another troll. Not going to waste my time with him. Only a traitor would pretend to be an iranian. Scum f****er.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:43 pmConservative Deathmatch seems to have fizzled out…
June 12th, 2009 at 11:43 pmThe Moderate Squad Says:
I didn’t hear a lot of criticism for Clarence Thomas from Pat when Thomas was nominated – probably because Thomas votes against affirmative action despite having undeniably benefitted from it.
This is a common thing – minorities and women may be allowed into positions of power provided that they have a proven track record of loyalty to the white/male power structure. Clarence Thomas. Alberto Gonzales. Colin Powell. Condoleeza Rice. Michael Steele. All of them shuck ‘n jive for their white/male overlords, and are commensurately rewarded as examples of Republican “tolerance.”
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faulknercindy2003 Says:
Everytime I hear this bigot speak I turn the channel. I would rather beat myself in the head with a hammer.
Which is why I wonder why Maddow keeps bringing him on. I don’t care how fcuking charming somebody is when the camera’s off; if they’re using their TV platform to preach opresssion, they’re a POS, period.
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looktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota.
Thanks for your input, white guy.
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Reza Says:
Good News! Ahmadinejad has won the election in Iran!
Ahmadinejad leads Iran vote, challenger defiant
I am glad he won. He stands for the Iranian people and wasn’t a US puppet like that stupid Green Movement lead by Mirhossein Mousavi. Iran is a poerful nation, even you Americans fear us.
The right wing speaks. News flash – the other side is claiming they won, too. I’ll wait for the official count, thanks.
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Reza Says:
noseeum,
You just proved how pussy America is. That is why Iran would clobber you in a war. You kill one of us, we celebrate. We kill one of you youi cry like women
That’s one of our strengths, not a weakness. Celebrating death never works in the long run. Study your Q’uran if you don’t believe me.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:44 pmOops, he’s up again!
Reza, quit pulling hair!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:46 pmGet back to frying McNuggets looktothehills.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:47 pmReza,
The Qyran praises martyrdoom.
barfly,
June 12th, 2009 at 11:48 pmAmericans cry especially liberals. We kill Americans you weep, protest and attack your own government. We unit and resis and admire the dead. Yours is a weak Nation.
Since Buchanan prefers the old bigotry, perhaps America could go back to the days when the Irish were treated like krap.
I reckon affirmative action isn’t much differant than nepotism, just ask Bay Buchanan.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:48 pmDaryll must have seen something up there and gone to look.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:50 pmReza, you’re having a hard enough time with Johhny.
I wouldn’t want to gang up on you. Johnny doesn’t seem too tough, that’s for sure.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:52 pmOne Tic. Wasnt it the Persians [Magi] that saved Jesus from the evil King?
Oh, never mind, let the conservative religious death match over Jesus continue.
Give him a them Orientars a rubber cigar to smoke Jimmeh!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:52 pm“The base alloy of hypocrisy” is exactly what fuels Buchanan. He didn’t protest the obvious affirmative action candidate for Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas, because Thomas supported right wing points of view. Buchanan IS protesting Sonia Sotomayor because she is a Democrat. I just want to know, Pat, how did she graduate summa cum laude? Were ALL her professors in on the affirmative action thing? I doubt it.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:54 pmDing! Ding! Ding! Troll fight! ROTFL!
June 12th, 2009 at 11:55 pmOh, oh, I just got message heaven is out of virgins. Jimmeh you will have to take it in the shorts from Reza
June 12th, 2009 at 11:55 pmNot to worry Jimmeh, in the afterlife you will get to teabag Reza on odd numbered days
[Cue bikini girl with round 2 sign]
June 12th, 2009 at 11:57 pmOops, make that Jimmy — and another delicious alcohol-laced drink, if you don’t mind.
Too bad Reza can’t enjoy simple pleasures like consuming whisky and coke.
His invisible sky daddy would spank him.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:58 pmOn a related topic:
The disgusting thing is that Patsy is fairly tame compared to the scumbags who aren’t ever charming. Glenn Beck in particular should be jailed for promoting domestic terrorism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-BM6oE37FQ
June 13th, 2009 at 12:04 amDoes Buchanan even realize that on this issue, Sotomayor has
June 13th, 2009 at 12:06 amvoted in favour of the white guy seven out of eight times.
The Kerkos have gone quiet…must be mutual teabagging =8 8=
June 13th, 2009 at 12:07 amWell, Jimmy certainly turned out to be a puckered patriot.
Weakest defense of this great nation since… 9/11.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:08 amLooks like we need to bombard MSNBC with emails telling them to get rid of this old racist.
I’m always amazed when anyone — usually Chris Matthews these days — let Pat speak as if he’s an authority on anything but racism.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:18 amWow. They just don’t make trolls like they used to…
June 13th, 2009 at 12:19 amWhats left to say to Buchanan? How can anyone argue with someone that actually endorses bigotry?
Might as well chastise Herman Goering for antisemitism.
Just when you thought Buchanan couldn’t stoop any lower.
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Someone get that man a Swastika and an armband to wear it on.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:22 amReza Says:
Americans cry especially liberals. We kill Americans you weep, protest and attack your own government.
.. says the wingnut troll pretending to be an Al-Qaeda parody. Maybe that was true when Bush was in office. Hell, Bin-Laden explicitly stated that he could destroy the U.S. economy by attacking the WTC, and Bush danced like a puppet on his string. Osame Bin-Laden has been proven right on all of his predictions – good for you.
But in response, America elected somebody with an actual brain instead of mere positions. You can’t beat Obama. You can’t even come close.
Soon (assuming you’re really from the Middle East and aren’t just and American wingnut parody) Obama-like leaders are going to come into power in your own country, and the whole “let’s blow up the bad guys” approach to international diplomacy is going to fade into history, and you along with it. You won’t be missed.
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Zooey Says:
Looks like we need to bombard MSNBC with emails telling them to get rid of this old racist. .
I’m kinda thinking that too. But I’m also thinking at the same time, go ahead and bring him on, but everyody ask him one, and only one, question – “So, how’s the old bigotry working out for you, you racist POS?”
June 13th, 2009 at 12:23 amMSNBC should have allowed Amanda to debate Pat as well
June 13th, 2009 at 12:23 amBy ‘make’ Im thinking Zooey is talking of a large intestinal process ending in a swirling bowl
June 13th, 2009 at 12:27 amThis wasn’t really news, old bigots have always preferred the old bigotry.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:28 amJimmeh doesnt streak the bowls
June 13th, 2009 at 12:29 amlike our old trolls
AmericasBack Says:
aww come on! I was ready for some hot troll on troll action. I am severely disappointed.
Most likely they were the same person.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:15 amWell, the troll fight was a big bust, but I must say that barfly’s ringside commentary kept my interest high.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:40 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
shes a mexican racist
And you hate her simply because she’s hispanic you little no-brained racist assclown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
Yep, Puetro Rican (US TERRITORY) dissent and born in the Bronx. Sounds real “Mexican” doesn’t it, lying troll.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:55 amlooktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
Translation:
looktothehills Says:
WHITE POWER!!!
June 13th, 2009 at 1:58 amSo, looktotheimbeciles, are you proud of your racist America hating self, little troll?
June 13th, 2009 at 1:59 amI’m Mexican-American, just FYI. I feel that I can discuss this dispassionately. Since alot of people like Buchanan are opposed to “free rides”, “special treatment”, “something for nothing”, or other advantages based on personal characteristics, I think the responsible thing is for all of us to stop basing our views on emotion and base them on well-researched evidence.
Fields of study as diverse as economics, history, sociology, criminal justice, and psychology have provided us with mountains of evidence related to all the “unfair advantages” some Americans get that stand in the way of what I presume, giving Buchanan the benefit of the doubt, is his goal for America to be a true meritocracy.
There are countless examples of special advantages, yet here I will discuss only three.
1) Being White — It is clear that in EVERY aspect, being white is an advantage
in America. For example, the US government promised former slaves land
during Reconstruction which didn’t happen. Despite being promised
full citizenship and equal status in the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, Mexican
Americans were segregated and had their land stolen. Native Americans,
umm……yeah, goes without saying. After World War II, hundreds of
thousands of GI bills and FHA home were, in practice, available to whites
only. Being white means most of the people with authority at your bank,
job, school, etc…. are just like you. According to a 2004 study, simply having
a white sounding name (e.g. Chad Reynolds) means your resume is twice
as likely to get a callback in Chicago and Boston than a resume with a
black sounding name (e.g Tyrone Washington), even though the resumes
have EXACTLY the same qualifications. An excellent statistic that summarizes
how historical and present-day discrimination affect race relations today is
the fact that, for whites and blacks having equal annual INCOME, when assets
are included, the actual WEALTH of the white person, on average, is ten times
that of the black person. Bottom line: al that racism, all those houses, all
that land, all those GI bills, all those white-only networks, etc… have an
effect today and will have an effect for decades that is probably on the order
of 100 times the effect of affirmative action. And, as a final slap in the face
to people of color, figures show us that white women, who usually partner
with someone else who is white, have been the biggest beneficiaries of
affirmative action.
2. Being Wealthy — Clearly, especially in the U.S., money confers a multitude
of advantages. Wealthy people go to better schools, have better teachers,
enjoy better health care, have connections most others don’t, usually
don’t have to work and go to school which means they can take unpaid
internships to pad their resumes and gain experience, and are far more
likely to benefit from legacy admissions. Nuff said on that one.
3) Religious Connections — We saw a good example of this during the Bush
Administration. People that, essentially, graduated from the equivalent
of a junior college (Liberty University) landed sweet jobs in government.
It is not my intent to spout hate, but if anything truly believes that, on
at least a somewhat regular basis, there aren’t Catholics showing preference
to Catholics, Jews showing preference for Jews, Scientologists showing
preference for Scientologists, and so on, I suggest you go in for some
therapy.
So, again giving Buchanan the benefit of the doubt, I think he and I see eye to eye. As soon as we clamp down on all these welfare queen, lazy, something for nothing, parasitic whites, wealthy people, religious people, etc…., I’ll advocate abolition of affirmative action.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:59 amWhen you think about it, it’s ironic that some of the people who are inclined to agree with Buchanan are same ones who tout America as the Land of Opportunity in which anyone and everyone is capable of rising as high as their ambitions will take them provided that they’re willing to work hard enough (including making whatever sacrifices might be necessary for them to pursue higher education) — while at the same time complaining about Affirmative Action and claiming that it’s a form of reverse racism which either 1) unfairly deprives more qualified Caucasian-Americans or 2) condescends to minorities and suggests that they aren’t capable of getting there under their own steam.
It’s actually a somewhat subtle approach. Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don’t…which I have no doubt is exactly the point since it enables the racist to complain, criticize, and condemn no matter what. They give themselves permission to complain about those people, most of them minorities, who in their eyes aren’t trying (or aren’t trying hard enough) to pull themselves out of poverty and make their own lives better as Ms. Sotomayor succeeded in doing — while at the same time railing against other people who are trying to do that and criticizing programs which make this possible, claiming that they want a “level playing field” when their own actions suggest that this is in fact the very last thing they want.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:03 amlooktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
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Bush and Cheney, Rove et al should have not been hired based upon what you state.
And than America did hired someone based on their education and their professional skills and not on Affirmative Action.
There were a lot of women, people with disabilities, veterans et al who benefited from Affirmative Action which is just not tied to race.
You need to look at a book instead of the hills.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:12 amranus69 Says:
looktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
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Bush and Cheney, Rove et al should have not been hired based upon what you state.
And than America did hired someone based on their education and their professional skills and not on Affirmative Action.
There were a lot of women, people with disabilities, veterans et al who benefited from Affirmative Action which is just not tied to race.
You need to look at a book instead of the hills.
They don’t have libraries in Hillbilly land.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:16 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
shes a mexican racist
June 13th, 2009 at 2:19 am============
This is pitiful!!
Sorry O.T. Elephants…
Bush Lawyer Ordered to Testify
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/13/us/politics/13brfs-BUSHLAWYEROR_BRF.html?_r=3
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: June 12, 2009
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June 13th, 2009 at 2:38 ami just wanted to through this little tid bit in on affirmative action
i, for one, am opposed to race based affirmative action because any serious study of affirmative action as it now stands shows that it is not helping those it was originally intended to.
Mostly the system helps affluent minority students of below average grades get into better schools than they should, while still screwing poorer students who might be more qualified but don’t fit the mold of said ivy league type universities…they’re filling quotas with priveleged people who happen to be minorities, they don’t need the help
also… if you study affirmative action you’ll find that the largest “minority” on college campuses are white students who don’t meet the minimum criteria for admission requirements.
if you read some books on our race based affirmative action it becomes clear, that it really isn’t working in the way that it should to help get underpriveleged minority students into college
what i think would be better is class based affirmative action
for two primary reasons
1. unfortunately we live in a country where minorities are disproportionately represented among our nations poor. (an example for our slower troll friends.. lets say african americans make up 35% of our nations population, they unfortunately make up 45% of our nations poor… these arent the actual numbers, but i didn’t feel like looking them up at this hour) so if there were to be class based affirmative action it would still be minority students who would be reaping most of the benefits.
2. the main argument against affirmative action is that it screws poor white people, this is the myth that the right use to divide people on the issue (the reality is that the poor of all colors are screwed in the current system) if there were to be class based affirmative action this argument would simply cease to exist and affirmative action would be able to flourish and would ultimately be benefiting minority students more than anyone else (see reason 1)
all that being said
i’m still somewhat wary of this sort of a system because i feel it would open the door for bigoted institutions to simply go back to their traditional racist ways by letting in people who fit the socio-economic criteria while avoiding diversity.
i do however think universities that chose that path would be disgraced and looked down upon by anyone with a serious education (a la religious fundamentalist schools like liberty university) and we’d have to accept that there would be a few bad eggs in an otherwise much better system.
affirmative action is a tough issue because our nation still has deep rooted racism problems, the days of Martin and Malcolm were not that long ago.
June 13th, 2009 at 2:39 amIt’s big – It’s grey…
… It’s two floppy ears of an O.T. Elephant
Expert Advice On Dealing With A Prior Administration’s Use of Torture
By JOHN W. DEAN
Friday, June 12, 2009
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20090612.html
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June 13th, 2009 at 2:42 amWell, since She’s Puerto Rican, does that mean she doesn’t like Mexicans?
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June 13th, 2009 at 2:42 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
shes a mexican racist
Well, since She’s Puerto Rican, does that mean she doesn’t like Mexicans?
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No it mean’s Jimmy Bigot is a racist who thinks all latinos come from mexico
June 13th, 2009 at 2:46 amlooktothehills Says:
I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
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So does this mean you’re both happy and proud to be pumping gas for a living?
June 13th, 2009 at 3:01 amAbout a week ago (I think it was the day Obama spoke in Egypt) heard Pat Buchanan on Sean Hannity’s radio show (I don’t ever listen, I just happened to come across it when I was channel surfing) say he thinks Obama is a Muslim because his
Dad was one so that automatically made him one – and that Obama can’t deny it because he doesn’t stop being one just because he says he’s not – or to that effect – I’m paraphrasing. Pat also said that he doesn’t think Obama was born in the US because nobody has proven he does – and he birth certificate is authentic – again I’m paraphrasing.
I don’t understand why Pat Buchanan get away with saying such things when he’s on right-wing crazy nut job’s shows, and NEVER gets called out on it when he’s on MSNBC.
He said it way before that guy wrote about it (and other stuff) in the paper – I can’t remember his name, but he was Keith O’s worst person after he wrote that, and y’all did a piece on him too.
Pat Buchanan is just as crazy and as filled with hate as the rest of the right-wing loons.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:13 amMan, I should’ve proofed my comment!
I meant: Pat said that Obama can’t deny he’s a Muslim just cause he SAYS he’s NOT – that since his Dad was one, then that automatically makes Obama one – no matter what.
Pat also said that Obama’s birth certificate ISN’T authentic – because it’s never been proven that it IS.
Whatever, right? Anyway, Pat is just as crazy as the ones on “Fox News” and I WISH the people on MSNBC would hold him responsible for his comments when he’s pandering to those crazies listening to those right-wing shows instead of giving him a pass!
June 13th, 2009 at 3:17 amPat Buchanan. This is jst another dirtbag that TV producers hired to keep the ratings hot. Pure crap, and disgusting too there NBC.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:47 amAbout a week ago (I think it was the day Obama spoke in Egypt) heard Pat Buchanan on Sean Hannity’s radio show (I don’t ever listen, I just happened to come across it when I was channel surfing) say he thinks Obama is a Muslim because his Dad was one so that automatically made him one — and that Obama can’t deny it because he doesn’t stop being one just because he says he’s not. — Alishye
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Ah, yes — a variation on the old “Heads I Win, Tails You Lose” no-win scenario. How very, very convenient for Buchanan…
If Obama says that he’s not a Muslim, Buchanan simply accuses him of lying because Buchanan knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that anyone whose father was a Muslim has to be a Muslim as well — even in the person in question doesn’t know it himself! On the other hand, if Obama were to acknowledge himself as a Muslim, Buchanan would simply say “See? Told you so.” Either way, in Buchanan’s mind (and in the minds of people who are foolish enough to give him any credence), Buchanan is the only one who can possibly be right. It has absolutely nothing to do with the facts…it’s just one more exercise in self-justification on Buchanan’s part so that he has an excuse to bash Obama.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:59 amGee, and you don’t think that’s what my comment implied?
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Or is it that you don’t want to think, that that’s what my comment implied?
June 13th, 2009 at 4:20 amWhat the hell? Some really downstream trolls here. Pretending to be an Iranian ready to get into some kind of G.I. Joe cockfight? How remarkably stupid.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:37 amIt’s time to end affirmative action. Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males. The reality is that society has really gone 180 degrees in the opposite direction and white males are suffering, working class, poor white males who have had lives as hard as any other peoples in America.
June 13th, 2009 at 5:48 amThis is a fact. Those who are ostensibly motivated by progressive political correctness are hypocrites. Too many white men are hurting badly economically.
As our country moves beyond racism, the old guard makes its presence known, much like the empty shell of a snakes shedded skin. Buchanan is of the Nixon era…or was it Eisenhower?
June 13th, 2009 at 6:42 amJimmy, I really wish your parents wouldn’t leave their laptop laying around with you unsupervised.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:56 amI’ll never understand why people like Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice belong to an organization like the Republican Party which believes that African Americans are subhuman.
June 13th, 2009 at 7:30 amYou should know by now that facts don’t mean much to reichwing commentators.
Mathazar Says:
June 13th, 2009 at 8:18 amDoes Buchanan even realize that on this issue, Sotomayor has
voted in favour of the white guy seven out of eight times.
An old bigot preferring the old bigotry.. what a surprise
June 13th, 2009 at 8:20 amFor some reason I have images of Patsy singing “Give me that old time bigotry, give me that old time bigotry. It’s good enough for me” to the tune of “Give Me That Old Time Religion.”
June 13th, 2009 at 8:20 amWith white racists like Buchanan, Hannity, O’Rielly, Beck, Limpballs and Savage throwing gas on the flames, I have the feeling its going to be a hot summer. For the MSM to allow these racists to preach their hate over the airwaves, makes them responsible for whatever happens when the wingnuts act.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:40 amSotomayor is a perfect example of how wonderful affirmative action is! Without it, she may have ended up picking string beans thanks to the white supremacists such as Buchanan!
June 13th, 2009 at 9:57 amJImmy know nothing got knocked out by pansy Rezaa?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:01 amTell me you ain’t that much of a putz, Jimmy ole bigot.
Oh, and I flagged your latest bigoted screed.
Assignment for all trolls.: How does Affirmitive Action really work?
Use examples,i.e, any member of the Bush Family, Pat Buchanan, Mary Matlin, for example.
tony and lido
kassandrasduplex Says:
“It’s time to end affirmative action. Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.”
let me give you the standard cancervative answer to this, troll: “they are homeless because they enjoy being homeless and should go get a job.”
June 13th, 2009 at 10:22 amPeople on the far left like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden. But what is most likely to lift people out of poverty– telling them that the world has done them wrong, or promoting the vision, the work ethic, the dogged determination, and self-reliance necessary to accomplish that goal? -Thomas Sowell
June 13th, 2009 at 10:48 amYou go Pat. Truth is a funny thing, isn’t it?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:51 amWant real racism, look at what dealerships in the obama run private sector are being taken away due to GM collapse, established, well run dealerships by whites. Heres whats funnier, they are actually restructering existing dealerships and guess who is getting them, BLACKS.
Open your eyes you pieces of shit!
Hi upyour3
June 13th, 2009 at 10:57 amWhat is the three for?
nofreelunch
June 13th, 2009 at 10:59 amI get free lunches all the time. Dinners too. Right now I ampoaching some monkfish and guess what it was indeed free…
My guess is he likes to use three fingers.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:05 amPeople on the far right like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden. But what is most likely to lift people out of poverty– telling them that their poverty is their own damn fault, or promoting the social structure, the opportunity, the education necessary to accomplish that goal? -Ralph the Wonder Locust
June 13th, 2009 at 11:06 am“One prefers the old bigotry”?
Let’s ask the thousands of African Americans lynched, hanged, castrated and burned during the “old bigotry” days what they think about that.
What’s the matter, Pat? Not getting enough attention?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:07 amHow much longer before guys like you, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and O’Reilly get the President and anyone linked to him shot at?
Pat Buchanan definitely prefers the “old bigotry” because that’s what put his pasty white face into a sinecure from which he can spew any number of bald-faced lies, insane conspiracy theories, and bigoted remarks without fear of reprisal.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:12 amWhile we are “giving a man a fish” does anybody need a little swordfish? I have more than I need. It’s free and you are welcome to it. Just be selective as to the fisheries so as to mantain the resource over time for the common good and just because it is a magnificant animal…
June 13th, 2009 at 11:12 amupyours3
June 13th, 2009 at 11:15 amI apologize for the lost “s” in 163. It was an oversight. I ment no disrespect. Names are important. Why did you select that one?
dbadass, I kinda swore off swordfish when I learned that the northeastern fisheries were being depleted because the swordfishermen in Florida were taking juveniles before they had a chance to reproduce.
I know it really difficult these days to know with confidence which fisheries are healthy and harvested sustainably, but I try to stay away from swordfish.
Still, if it’s only going to go to waste…
June 13th, 2009 at 11:19 amupyours3 Says:
You go Pat. Truth is a funny thing, isn’t it?
Want real racism, look at what dealerships in the obama run private sector are being taken away due to GM collapse, established, well run dealerships by whites. Heres whats funnier, they are actually restructering existing dealerships and guess who is getting them, BLACKS.
Open your eyes you pieces of shit!
I agree that the truth can be a funny thing, but I am curious as to how you would know this, since your comment exhibits an astounding lack of truth. Who told you that Obama is picking which dealerships get closed? Because that contradicts everything the president and the car companies have said. How is it that you “know” differently?
I am also sensing some racial bigotry in your post. Tell me something, please. In your mind, is Barack Obama a black man who happens to be the president, or is Barack Obama the president who happens to be a black man? Thanking you in advance for your courteous reply.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:23 amralph my man. You are a wise individual. I don’t eat sword for that reason as well as some others. In general I stay away from all higher level predators. In this case this fish was as you suggest only going to go to waste had I not diverted it. The issue of appropruate seafood consumerism is extremely complicated. The forces of global capitalism are not really shining in this case. Education is difficult and much contradictory info is out there. I am hoping to open a small proveyorship focused on sustainabile fish and shellfish after retirement. Still be careful not to assume farmed is in anyway a better choice
June 13th, 2009 at 11:27 amcheers-
My guess is that 99 out of 100 of these dealerships are White-owned and therefore any cuts would have a pretty chance of being one of the White-owned dealerships.
Now, the assertion that the Obama administration is somehow replacing them with only Black-owned dealerships is just silly.
My advice, get over it and worry about how you can succeed yourself.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:32 amWayne, I applaud your patience and display of class in expecting a courteous reply from a poster who calls himself “upyours3″ and address other posters as “you pieces of shit”.
I think your approach is an inherently good one, and perhaps will even inspire our new friend to respond in kind.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:33 am“killing them softly”….
June 13th, 2009 at 11:35 amGee, and you don’t think that’s what my comment implied?
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Or is it that you don’t want to think, that that’s what my comment implied?
i was just piling on for more jokes….
jokes and jokes and jokes and jokes
June 13th, 2009 at 11:37 amBut what is most likely to lift people out of poverty– telling them that the world has done them wrong, or promoting the vision, the work ethic, the dogged determination, and self-reliance necessary to accomplish that goal? -Thomas Sowell
How about both, Uncle Tommy?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:51 amJudge Sotomayor may have gotten into Princeton through affirmative action, but her ranking and what she did once she was there had nothing to do with affirmative action and everything to do with her brilliance and hard work.
Pat Buchanan is a pathetic piece of shit.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:51 amHere’s some bigotry from the 1800s for Pat
June 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am“No Irish need apply”
what goes around…
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
so, pat,
what’s your take on “legacy admissions”? does that fall under the umbrella of affirmative action in your book?
Good point. But, I’m betting he would think that legacy admissions were just fine saying that those people earned their right to admission based on what their parents did.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:53 amNo matter how much Buchanan loves his god.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:54 amNo matter how much he hates science.
The pendulum is swinging.
If we hang on and take the ride,
we will work ourselves to the middle.
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
kassandrasduplex Says:
“It’s time to end affirmative action. Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.”
let me give you the standard cancervative answer to this, troll: “they are homeless because they enjoy being homeless and should go get a job.”
But, the reply to that from this poster will be that the reason why they are homeless is because they can’t get a job because affirmative action is giving all the jobs he could get to minorities. Which, of course, is pure bunk.
The purpose of affirmative action in schools is to try to level the playing field. If you have an inner city school where the school gets $2,000 per student vs. a suburban school where the school gets $5,000 per student, which one do you think is going to provide the better education? Until such time as an equal education is available to all children in this country, affirmative action will be needed to level the playing field and give the inner city children a chance to compete.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pmIn the 1978 Bakke case, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional the use of fixed quotas for minority applicants at professional schools. At issue was a state medical school’s affirmative action program that, because it required a certain number of minority admissions, twice denied entrance to an otherwise qualified white candidate (Allan Bakke). Though the court outlawed quota programs on the grounds that they violated the equal-protection clause of the Constitution of the United States, it allowed colleges to use race as a factor in making college admissions decisions.”
In the Ricci case, the New Haven, Connecticut, Fire Department sought to fill captain and lieutenant positions. Pursuant to a City regulation known as the “rule of three,” once test results are “certified,” the Department must promote from the group of applicants achieving the top three scores. Immediate application of the “rule of three” to these exams would not have allowed for the promotion of any black firefighters.
Because of these outcomes, the City’s independent exam review board, which must vote to certify test results, held hearings to consider the possibility that the tests were racially biased. Because the exam review board split evenly, 2-2, on whether to certify the exam results (with one member recusing herself based upon a conflict of interest), they were not certified.
A group of white firefighters, one of whom is also Hispanic, who scored some of the highest results on the administered exams, filed suit against the City and its officials, alleging that the City’s action violated Title VII and the Equal Protection Clause. On cross-motions for summary judgment, the district court granted the City’s motion, agreeing that the City did not need to certify the results because doing so could subject it to litigation for violating Title VII’s disparate impact prohibition.
On appeal, the Second Circuit, which Judge Sotomayor sat on, affirmed the district court’s opinion summarily.
The question is this: Is a requirement that there be “at least one minority” a “fixed quota” that was forbidden by the Supreme Court in the Bakke decision, but permitted by the Second Circuit in the Ricci case? If so, would this show that Judge Sotomayor participated in an opinion ignoring a previous precedent from the higher Supreme Court? Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law?
The case is now before the Supreme Court on writ of certiorari.
June 13th, 2009 at 12:34 pmIntrepid Says:
looktothehills Says:
Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.
Translation:
looktothehills Says:
WHITE POWER!!!
June 13th, 2009 at 1:58 am
This is SO interesting, since Daryll aka looktothehills is black. Or, as he calls himself, a “dark-toned individual.”
June 13th, 2009 at 1:00 pmi’m really not surprised mr buchanan is entitled to his opinion. i’ve watched this quiet racism that was a mainstay of the reagan revoulution. now minorities we ourselves are a big part of the problem.many of our parents and grandparents sacrificed their own to make a better life for the children. today were so self centered. affirmative action has been helpful. we do have to realize that its not a level playing field people like pat don’t want you to succeed. it galls them to no limit when you do and it appears you got a hand up from somewhere. minorities have to realze its a stacked deck not just because of racism. the simple fact your a minority puts you at a loss.we take care of our own.racism exascerbates the problem exponetually. you have to realize you have to excel. college is no longer a guaranteed paying job. if college is your thing great. there are many well paying jobs that only reguire tech school and/or special training. learn some thing well. develop a good character and your on the way. you’ll run into pat’s of the world,your own might hold you back but you’ll see people will give you a chance. people of all races and situations will help you. make the best of it. learn to accept critizism. it brings the cream to the top. you get good at some thing and people like pat need your service. they’ll forget their a racist long enough for you to get the job done. in their hearts though they may never admit it they’ll know their wrong. there is no stronger remedy to racism and ignorance than stong character with substance.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:03 pmPile is a good descriptor.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pmThis is disgusting , even by Buchanan’s trademark standards.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm(shrug) It’s just how white folks are.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pmI thought the Republican leadership would run from the right wing stink, but it turns out the smell is coming from the republicani leaders themselves. In high definition! Daily! Thanks to the MSM that is.
How about if shows like these replace their republican pundits with independants: [not fake ones like Dobbs]
Situation Room
No Bias No Bull
AC 360
Hardball
That would be a start. I’d hate to think any of the current batch will be around much longer.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pmBuchanan still boasts of the southern stategy of the republican party and he is still mad that Nixon got caught covering up in the Watergate investigation. It has only been forty years. The guy is an angry old racist and he should not be on television. It turn the channel everytime I see his angry face. His sister and Joe Scarface are even worse than him.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pmHere are some definitions of Reza
Funny name for a warrior.
June 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pmEven before Affirmative Action, there were factors other than pure merit taken into consideration for admission into many universities, such as geographic distribution, extracurricular and/or sports activities, and alumnus/alumna parent or grandparent. Of course, all the neocons complaining about Sotomayor, who more than proved her worth by graduating summa cum laude, have no trouble with C-student legacies like Dumbya.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:38 pmRE:‘One prefers the old bigotry.’
MY COMMENT: I agree. ‘Old school’ bigotry is far more tasteful than these neo-bigots! Subtlety and understatement are best. Walk softly but carry a BIG, concealed stick.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:08 pmAffirmative Action is not perfect. It did not, however, give us Sonia Sotomayer — not with her #1 ranking. It did, however, give us Clarence Thomas. Interestingly, both were George H. W. Bush picks.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:15 amShe’s a Lithuanian racist!
She’s an Albanian racist!
She’s a Basque racist!
She’s an Inuit racist!
You know, the disparity between knowledge and confidence in knowledge is truly astonishing with some people. One wonders why some people are so confident in what they say when what they say is manifestly false!
She’s a diabetic penguin!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:13 amkassandrasduplex Says:
Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.
This proves what, exactly?
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kassandrasduplex Says:
Too many white men are hurting badly economically.
There are no societal disadvantages to being white and male. Of everybody, they’ve got the best shot at a decent job, and a decent future across the board. If they can’t cut it with all the advantages they have, then maybe they should actually try harder.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
People on the far right like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden.
I call it “whining.”
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peaceandjustice Says:
Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law?
The three-judge panel she was on declined to overturn the lower court ruling. That’s standard. But look at it the other way – if New Haven had not thrown out the test results, the black firefighters would definitely have had a case to sue them under title VII of the Civil Rights Act and a great deal of judicial precedent. If you back the white firefighters, then at best it’s a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t situation.
What you’re asking of Sotomayor in Ricci is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters. What you’re demanding is nothing less than judicial activism.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:22 amen son videolar
June 15th, 2009 at 7:23 amen son videolar
Because of Pat Buchanan, I have stopped being a regular watcher of Hardball and Rachel Maddow. He is just too retrogressive and pathetic, and clearly MSNBC keeps him on the air for sensationalist effect and I cannot respect or abide that.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:45 amPeter Loffredo
http://fullpermissionliving.blogspot.com/
ElBruce Says:
What you’re asking of Sotomayor in Ricci is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters. What you’re demanding is nothing less than judicial activism.
The last case heard by the Supreme Court on disparate impact was Wards Cove Packing Co. v. Antonio 490 U.S. 642 (1989). The interesting aspect of this case is that the plaintiffs do not dispute that the test results showed a racially adverse impact on African-American candidates for both positions. In other words, had the minority candidates challenged the results of the exams, the City would have had to defend tests.
The Supreme Court has not decided a Title VII disparate impact
June 16th, 2009 at 1:59 amcase since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991. The oral arguments before the Supreme Court on April 22 are interesting, especially pages 45 to 48 of the transcript where Chief Justice Roberts questions Mr. Meade, attorney for the City, about throwing out test after test until they get they result that they want.
See:
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-1428.pdf