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		<title>Federalist Society Board Member Argues Bush&#8217;s Surveillance Program Is Illegal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/27/federalist-society-board-member/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judd</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Radical Right-Wing Agenda]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The right-wing spin machine wants you to believe that critics of the Bush&#8217;s warrantless domestic spying program are all liberals. Here&#8217;s Bill Kristol in the most recent issue of the Weekly Standard:
[L]iberals recoil unthinkingly from the obvious fact that our national security requires policies that are a step (but only a careful step) removed from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right-wing spin machine wants you to believe that critics of the Bush&#8217;s warrantless domestic spying program are all liberals. Here&#8217;s Bill Kristol in the most recent issue of the <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/534yxceu.asp">Weekly Standard</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[L]iberals recoil unthinkingly from the obvious fact that our national security requires policies that are a step (but only a careful step) removed from ACLU dogma.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, <strong>there are many very conservative people who vigorously oppose the program</strong>. For example, constitutional scholar Robert Levy &#8212; who is a <a href="http://www.cato.org/people/levy.html">board member at the right-wing Federalist Society</a> &#8212; is an outspoken critic. The Federalist Society recently posted a Q&#038;A with Levy on their website. Here are <a href="http://www.fed-soc.org/pdf/domesticsurveillance.pdf">some highlights</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8211; The text of FISA Â§1809 is unambiguous: â€œA person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally engages in electronic surveillance &#8230; except as authorized by statute.â€ </p>
<p>&#8211; I know of no court case that has denied there is a reasonable expectation of privacy by U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens in the types of wire communications that are reportedly monitored by the NSAâ€™s electronic surveillance program. </p>
<p>&#8211; [I]n FISA Â§1811, Congress expressly contemplated warrantless wiretaps during wartime, and limited them to the first 15 days after war is declared.</p></blockquote>
<p>Levy makes <a href="http://www.fed-soc.org/pdf/domesticsurveillance.pdf">a powerful case</a> and he&#8217;s not alone. Other prominent conservatives who have criticized the program include <a href="http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/news/world/13428787.htm">Sen. Arlen Specter</a> (R-PA), <a href="/2005/12/18/no-legal-basis/">Sen. Lindsey Graham</a> (R-SC), conservative columnist <a href="http://townhall.com/opinion/columns/georgewill/2005/12/20/179727.html">George Will</a>, former Reagan deputy Attorney General <a href="/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%e2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/">Bruce Fein</a> and AEI scholar <a href="/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%e2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/">Norm Ornstein</a>.</p>
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		<title>Conservative Scholars Argue Bush&#8217;s Wiretapping Is An Impeachable Offense</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%e2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Faiz Shakir</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Incompetent  Establishment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Impeachment]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Conservative scholars Bruce Fein and Norm Ornstein argued yesterday on The Diane Rehm show that, should Bush remain defiant in defending his constitutionally-abusive wire-tapping of Americans (as he has indicated he will), Congress should consider impeaching him.

QUESTION: Is spying on the American people as impeachable an offense as lying about having sex with an intern?
BRUCE [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative scholars Bruce Fein and Norm Ornstein argued yesterday on The Diane Rehm show that, should Bush remain defiant in defending his constitutionally-abusive wire-tapping of Americans (as he has <a href="http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b7bf89a6-70fc-11da-89d3-0000779e2340.html">indicated he will</a>), Congress should consider impeaching him.</p>
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<strong>QUESTION:</strong> Is spying on the American people as impeachable an offense as lying about having sex with an intern?</p>
<p><strong>BRUCE FEIN, <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm">constitutional scholar</a> and former deputy attorney general in the Reagan Administration:</strong> I think the answer requires at least in part considering what the occupant of the presidency says in the aftermath of wrongdoing or rectification. On its face, if President Bush is totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a war-time President I can do anything I want &#8212; I  don&#8217;t need to consult any other branches &#8212; <u>that is an impeachable offense.</u> It&#8217;s more dangerous than Clinton&#8217;s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would set a precedent that would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be used indefinitely for any future occupant. </p>
<p><strong>NORM ORNSTEIN, <a href="http://www.aei.org/scholars/scholarID.48,filter.all/scholar.asp">AEI scholar</a>:</strong> I think if weâ€™re going to be intellectually honest here, <u>this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed.</u></p></blockquote>
<p>(Listen to The Diane Rehm show <a href="http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/12/19.php">here</a>. The segment above begins at 33:40)<br />
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<strong>UPDATE:</strong></p>
<p>More from <a href="http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/charlotte/news/13446592.htm?source=rss&#038;channel=charlotte_news">Knight-Ridder</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Bush's] explanation fueled more anger over the domestic spying, and some legal experts asserted that Bush broke the law on a scale that could warrant his impeachment.</p>
<p>&#8220;The president&#8217;s dead wrong. It&#8217;s not a close question. Federal law is clear,&#8221; said Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University and a specialist in surveillance law. &#8220;When the president admits that he violated federal law, that raises serious constitutional questions of high crimes and misdemeanors.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Hotline Blog is <a href="http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/12/the_i_word_watc.html">tracking the &#8220;I&#8221; word</a>.</p>
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