… here’s an inane online poll on ClimateGate:
Are you satisfied with the British panel’s conclusion that while ‘Climategate’ scientists were not always forthcoming, their science was sound?
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I especially liked this comment from the MSNBC poll:
“Typical for scientists to lie… look at evolution and how they try to justify it.”
I’m trying really, really hard not to share a whole bunch of expletives which I think are appropriate for this!
Conspiracy theorists and anti-science zealots abound are all crawling out of the wood work for this one– they really are desperate.
That’s one of the most depressing things I’ve ever seen. It just goes to show that if you repeat a lie enough, some people will believe it. And then when you present indisputable evidence that the lie was indeed not true, they will go on believing the lie anyway.
“Climategate” was basically debunked the moment it happened, since we can observe climate change happening before our eyes, with or without the data in question. Yet at the time I write this, of the 6,000+ who have voted on the poll, 2/3 still doubt climate science, and are thus anti-science.
Today in Colorado it’s cloudy and rainy. But after seeing this, now I’m really having a shitty day.
I’m banking that there was a tipoff from the denier crowd to go vote on this poll. Doesn’t make any sense that an MSNBC poll would show these results.
RPauli sent me a link this morning, “Anxiety May be at Root of Religious Extremism,”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100706103404.htm
which is another way of describing the theory of cognitive dissonance. As the facts challenge faith-based (obviously not fact-based) climate deniers and create anxiety, the faithful will become even more extreme rather than question their core ideological belief.
So expect more hysteria and fanciful explanations of irrefutable evidence of AGW, especially as the heat wave kills all the plants, along with a few of the people, producing wildfires in woods and empty sun-baked fields.
That doesn’t rule out the theory expounded in #4, Rob H. Quite likely!
“Whitewash” is the new denier talking point.
The comments on Revkins (better than usual but still citing Lindzen) article are infuriating. I know I’m not supposed to let the bots get under my skin but:
“It is impossible for anyone to read the e-mails and examine the work of these scientists and believe that they meet any standard of moral responsibility.”
… its actually quite the opposite
Wit’sEnd… I think there is a LOT to the cognitive dissonance idea. I get into a lot of heated discussions on the internet with climate deniers. If I debate them long enough I end up pointing them to this video about a guy in Oregon who’s souped up a 1972 Datsun to an all electric dragster and kicks tail at the local drag strip.
Absolutely every time I’ve been able to get a denier to watch this video I suddenly become their buddy. I’m not so bad after all. Climate change is still a Bolshevik plot but all electric hot rods are way cool.
I know, lets put on our own online poll!
Are all online polls bogus and misleading?
[] yes
[] no
It would be entertaining, but not valid. Because polls in no way measure opinion. The only count the click actions of the those who visit the poll site — or those scripts which input data. It is a trivial action to pack an online poll.
Worse, polls of Facebook and many other sites will gather your history and cookie data while you are distracted by answering questions.
Better question for a poll might be:
Do you agree that our global climate should be pristine and clean, just like in the movie “Avatar” only in 3-D, but where we don’t have to wear the special glasses? Or would you rather it be like “The Wizard of Oz”?
[] yes – Oz
[] no – no Avatar
[] sigh
Hmm… the extreme heat and broken temperature records on the US Eastcoast is probably a scam too. Not to mention the record low sea ice.
If you keep up with polling, check out fivethirtyeight.com. Nate Silver has been taking Zogby to task lately over his use of internet polling.
RobH, that video is AWESOME! I’m going to send it to every gas-powered-car-addict I know!
If only the effort hadn’t been derailed by the auto industry and oil companies decades ago…we have lost so much time that would have made all the difference.
You can vote again by deleting your cookies…
And that’s why online polls are crap!
shash… Now “losing your cookies” has a whole new meaning in the modern world.