Open Thread Plus Climate Cartoon Of The Week

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24 Responses to Open Thread Plus Climate Cartoon Of The Week

  1. Brian R Smith says:

    Best film on climate & energy

    Until today I’d missed knowing about the PBS series Earth: The Operator’s Manual with Penn State geoscientist Richard Alley as narrator/presenter. Now I’ve seen part 1, an hour, which is here:

    It’s by far the most conservative-friendly, succinctly comprehensive, relaxed, convincing argument for transitioning to renewables that I’ve seen. The science and the trends are covered, but impact horrors are not dwelled on.

    Alley himself is a church-going Republican. Excellent storytelling. Solid demonstration of economic value & job creation. Encouraging. Military and South Texas ranchers’ testimonials. Take this to any local community audience, redneck or liberal.

  2. Brian R Smith says:

    (But I would like to have seen acknowledgement of Bucky Fuller who created this famous metaphor with his 1968 Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth.)

  3. JOHN Coover says:

    How does one explain to a world of reluctant human ears that humanity is using up, at an accelerated RATE, ALL the EARTH’S resources as if the Earth were a business in liquidation and at the same time treating our oceans like a sewer while relying upon the seas for our food supply?

  4. catman306 says:

    I’m not selling anything, but here is a cartoon from the New Yorker in 1983. It was cut out and posted where everyone could see it during my class days in the late 80s and early 90s.

  5. Trent1492 says:

    I would really like to see Skeptical Science address this but they do not have open threads and it is only tangentially related to climate science so I am going to put it in this forum.

    I am seeing a lot of the following argument: Our environment is fine! We have more trees in the U.S and Europe than we had for centuries.

    It of course a nonsense argument but I am seeing it pop up a lot.

  6. Paul Klinkman says:

    Other than a few electrons that vote early and often, who are these strange voters that murder creation? Why specifically and in great detail do these people always pull the lever marked, “Thou shalt steal from your grandchildren”?

  7. Apollo 13 scenario without Houston.

  8. Joan Savage says:

    A short response:

    Trees are definitely part of the long-term multi-century solution, and they are also a visible improvement at present, but there aren’t enough of them on earth to capture the amount of excess CO2.

    Planting trees without cutting back on CO2 emissions is like eating healthy food while smoking a pack a day. One doesn’t adequately erase the other.

  9. catman306 says:

    In the local paper, I posted the remark that the UN says there are only 61 trees for each human on the planet. Someone countered that there are more acres of trees now than there were 200 years ago.
    That may be true, but the quality of the today’s trees is poor; they are smaller in every way than the healthy trees that grew back then. There were fewer trees then because they were monsters and far fewer grew per acre.

    Witsend had a posting with photos taken around 1890 or 1900 showing the men with their axes and the trees that dwarfed them.

    Here’s one such picture.

  10. libertea73 says:

    “The heaviest polar ice in more than a decade could postpone the start of offshore oil drilling in the Arctic Ocean until the beginning of August, a delay of up to two weeks”

    The author might want to reconsider the caption for this cartoon. I suggest, “Hey, with CO2 at 400ppm where’d all this ice come from?”


  11. Benefits EU from meeting its 20% energy efficiency target by 2020: $134 billion per year directly (less energy) + $125 billion per year indirectly, though lower energy prices!

  12. Joan Savage says:

    An instructive read on the movements and pile ups of Arctic sea ice is in the Climate Progress piece, “Detailed Arctic Sea Ice Analysis with great Charts,” by Nevin Acropolis, May 12, 2012.

    In it is a link to the US Navy’s map of ice thickness which is regularly updated.

    Your linked article noted the wind pattern this year which contributed to the present pileup.

  13. Dick Smith says:

    I saw the Island President last night. It gave new meaning to “350”. A special movie. Win or lose, I’m grateful to be on the same side as the remarkable Mr. Nasheed.

  14. Paul Magnus says:

    Climate Portals shared a link.
    23 minutes ago
    Extreme weather meets its maker….

    Red Deer River Oil Pipeline Spill Prelude to Enbridge in BC?

  15. Paul Magnus says:

    “Authorities in Alberta are particularly concerned over this week’s spill, as heavy rains and flooding are causing the leaked oil to flow downstream at an increased and dangerous rate. Since the leak was reported on Thursday evening, residents along the Red Deer River have already reported noxious smells and sightings of dead wildlife.”

  16. Frank Zaski says:

    Of note, climate change is the lead story in the current issue of Skeptic magazine.

    They are absolutely adamant that humans are causing climate change and that “the denialists generated an anti-science movement entirely out of thin air and PR.”

  17. David B. Benson says:

    Considering tropical forests itss not clear there is a net gain.

  18. Hoedad says:

    This is worth all your time for 1 hour

  19. I just read the Physics Today news story about the Nature article – J. D. Shakun et al., Nature 484, 49 (2012) – the one that found that, at the close of the recent glaciation, CO2 led the temperature rise through most of the world even if it did not in Antarctica. The PT article is at, but you need to be a member. My question is about Fig 1 in the PT story. It seems to show CO2 rising from about 180 ppm to 260 ppm, or through 80 ppm from 22 to 10 kyrs BP. This appears to be driving a temperature increase of around 3.5 degrees C although the temperature is lagging by a lot – up to 2000 yrs sometimes. My understanding has been that a 3.5 deg C change is more like what happens with a doubling of CO2, maybe 280 ppm. Is this study going to change our ideas of the sensitivity to a doubling, or am I just misinterpreting things?

  20. Mulga Mumblebrain says:

    They are the Dead Souls.

  21. Robert Callaghan says:

    Sustainable Growth = Oxymoron
    A bright green sustainable future is a lie. We just spent 10 years killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan. We want to kill more in Iran. We kill women and children with remote controls. We do this for oil. People often point to Germany’s wind and solar success. These projects create jobs for the lucky people who go out to buy cars, homes, electronics. Then they use this solar/wind power to manufacture cars, heavy equipment etc for export to the world. The computer you write is manufactured with rare earths and conflict minerals. Several million people have been killed in the Congo since 1998 for these conflict minerals. You have to crush tons and tons of rock to get one ounce of rare earth, much of the waste is radioactive.

  22. Jim Dunlap says:

    The above, “200 years ago there were lees trees argument.” is very common on the east coast of the US where I live. It is actually true here as 200 years ago the opening of the Ohio river valley to settlement had not yet really taken off and as such almost everywhere east of the Appalachians was cleared for farming. Most of the remaining trees, at that time, were orchards planted by the settlers. Toady most of the land not covered by suburban development is no longer farmed and does have a lot more trees.

    But, as David says, this augment is local and has a minor effect on offsetting the vast clearing of the rainforests of the world and large scale clear cutting of boreal forests in places like Canada.

  23. John Mason says:


    for an account of the flood-event: it was right on my patch and many people I know have suffered damage, in some cases with 6ft plus of floodwater. Totals are more likely to be 200-250mm for the high ground: 125mm or 5 inches is not uncommon for the winter rains we get here and yes they cause floods but nothing like what’s just happened!