Climate Open Thread Plus Cartoon Of The Week by Joe Romm Apr 20, 2013 8:22 am Share 9 Tweet Comment Opine away! Tags humor Share 9 Tweet Comment 53 Responses to Open Thread Plus Cartoon Of The Week Will Fox says: April 20, 2013 at 8:44 am Solar accounted for 100% of new utility electricity generation added to the U.S. grid last month For the first time, solar energy accounted for all new utility electricity generation capacity added to the U.S. grid last month, according to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission’s (FERC’s) latest report. http://www.futuretimeline.net/blog/2013/04/19.htm prokaryotes says: April 20, 2013 at 8:58 am Lol that cartoon, but so true O.o Steve in Miami says: April 20, 2013 at 9:02 am Joe, you are probably aware of this, but just in case… I travel around a lot for my job so there are about 5 computers that I use on a weekly basis. On 3 out of those 5 computers, I cannot access the comments on your site. The little talk bubble with number of comments is simply not there. On my home computer, I have to use Internet Explorer to access the comments because I cannot access them through Firefox and even then, the talk bubble is absent, although I can still access the comments using IE by clicking the headline and scrolling down. This means that in all probability, more than 50% of potential posters do not post because they cannot access the comments. Just giving a heads up. Raul M. says: April 20, 2013 at 9:12 am Huffington Post has Two articles on the Gulf Oil Spill. One mentioned dispersant and common health effects. Nice that the chemical name of the ______ is listed and mention of blood testing for such. A Change in the Weather says: April 20, 2013 at 9:23 am Wow. That is cool. David K says: April 20, 2013 at 9:24 am Here is an interesting panel discussion that was held on April 17 in Ottawa; the subject is selling carbon pricing to Canadians. I was impressed by 2 of the panelists namely Bob Inglis who was a Republican representative from South Carolina and Elizabeth May, leader of The Green Party of Canada, who worked in the Conservative Government of Brian Mulroney on environmental issues. Goes to show there are some conservatives who are on the right side of the carbon pricing issue. http://canada2020.ca/event/the-canada-we-want-carbon-pricing/ DRT says: April 20, 2013 at 10:12 am I’ve been reading “Active Hope” by Macy and Johnstone. A poster here recommended it a few weeks back. One bit that has really struck home for me is “We …… go about our normal lives in the mode of Business as Usual while also remaining painfully aware of the multifaceted crisis unfolding around us.” That’s me….I go to work, do my job, and live my life while at the same time aware that I’m standing on the rim watching the climate circle the drain. Joan Savage says: April 20, 2013 at 10:18 am Posting from Firefox usually works by allowing cookies, such as the bundle of cookies from thinkprogress.org Lewis Cleverdon says: April 20, 2013 at 10:19 am Steve – same here I’m afraid, plus what to many could be a major offputting hassle is a clunky delay of about 30 seconds or more each time I click to ‘read more’ or change articles or write a comment or view an older post, etc. Nice to know that it isn’t just my set, but I’m puzzled that with CP as part of Think Progress it hasn’t already been resolved – given how widespread is Firefox. It would be good to know for sure that it’s not intervention by those who view JR’s posts as a prime threat to their interests. A while back on Real Climate there was a comment from a serious person (not a troll) bewailing the fact that his comments were routinely excluded by the moderator – which seemed to me highly unlikely given the level of respect for free speech – maybe another glitch ? My own twopennerth of a heads up would be to request the restoration of access to the archive by subject, which was an outstanding service of the old site. Regards, Lewis Raul M. says: April 20, 2013 at 10:37 am http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/04/corexit-bp-oil-spill-cover-gulf-mexico-health-and-environment-risk Mother Jones also reveals concern about the BP syndrome. Wes says: April 20, 2013 at 10:49 am I use Firefox and have never had a problem with the comments here. Joan Savage says: April 20, 2013 at 11:27 am Today’s NPR’s Weekend Edition Saturday included So Hot Right Now: Has Climate Change Created A New Literary Genre? by Angela Evancie To listen: http://www.npr.org/2013/04/20/176713022/so-hot-right-now-has-climate-change-created-a-new-literary-genre Excerpt: As far as [Nathaniel] Rich is concerned, climate change itself is a foregone conclusion. The story — the suspense, the romance — is in how we deal with it. “I don’t think that the novelist necessarily has the responsibility to write about global warming or geopolitics or economic despair,” he says. “But I do feel that novelists should write about what these things do to the human heart — write about the modern condition, essentially.” John Hartz says: April 20, 2013 at 1:46 pm It’s heartening to see that land use and transportation planners in Broward County are taking the impacts of manmade climate change seriously. See: ”South Florida Assessing Climate Change Impact On Roads, Bridges, Railroads, Airports: Storm surges and rising sea level a growing concern” by Angel Streetar, Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel, Apr 19, 2013 John Hartz says: April 20, 2013 at 1:48 pm The Association of Climate Change Officers is holding its inaugural summit this June in Ft. Lauderdale, FL This national event is not one to be missed for those working on SLR. For more information, see their website at: http://www.accoonline.org/ccls/risingseas-june2013.html prokaryotes says: April 20, 2013 at 2:27 pm On a sidenote it might be worthy to check out WordPress “Jetpack” and/or Akismet (signup for free). This way you can configure WP to have guest comments with social login or without. And to my knowledge that works. Then disable the word white list (if this is enabled now). Plus many neat features like up/down voting (extra plug-in) or even things like personal page (with Addon buddypress). fj says: April 20, 2013 at 2:56 pm Elevated bamboo bikeways is the next big thing. Well it doesn’t have to be bamboo; it could be indigenous trees or otherwise; like in treehouses; and it does not have to be trees from the get-go, just planted along side for when they grow strong enough. Grown and growing net zero or net positive infrastructure provide a multplicity of benefits. Bamboo bikeways illiteration is a little nicer than tree transit ways . . . maybe. Go ahead make my day . . . have fun with it. fj says: April 20, 2013 at 3:24 pm Poll: Most NY Metro Residents Like Where They Live, But Worry About Climate Change http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/transportation-nation/2013/apr/18/poll-metro-residents-worried-about-climate-change-want-live-city/ Andy Hultgren says: April 20, 2013 at 3:57 pm I use FireFox too, without issue. Steve in Miami and Lewis, a few of pieces of information the TP webmaster would probably appreciate: 1) Your Operating System (Mac OSX, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows Vista, etc. etc.) 2) The security settings on your browser 3) Your browser version That sort of information might be helpful if the webmaster wants to track down the source of the problem! Ruth Anthony-Gardner says: April 20, 2013 at 4:21 pm The Thermohaline Circulation is already faltering at 0.8°C rise, and it’s not in the news. It’s not even mentioned here? What a surreal water planet we live on, when the main driver of ocean health dramatically declines and nobody seems to respond. See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/10/1200602/-The-Antarctic-Half-of-the-Global-Thermohaline-Circulation-Is-Faltering Joan Savage says: April 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm Climate variability can get Mother Nature out of sync http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/climate_variability_can_get_mo.html Joan Savage says: April 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm This one is chock full of local examples for central New York. cathy strickler says: April 20, 2013 at 6:13 pm Everything in this book strikes home to me. I read it when I was in despair after looking at the latest polar ice cap graph posted here. Now a group of climate activists are taking 6 weeks to read it together. I made a 22′ long banner for the DC climate rally in Feb. that said ‘ ACTIVE HOPE FOR TEAM EARTH’. Let’s try to popularize the term for those of us in the trenches. Aldous says: April 20, 2013 at 7:18 pm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_Century There have been a lot of pipeline accidents in the US in the 21st century alone. I knew there were a lot, there are A LOT. David B. Benson says: April 20, 2013 at 8:17 pm Ditto. Matt Owens says: April 20, 2013 at 8:35 pm Hi, please sign this petition that urges the President to address the US about climate change with prominent scientists by his side: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/national-address-critical-urgency-climate-change/thsHlt4K Merrelyn Emery says: April 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm One of the early victims is the giant kelp forest off Tasmania’s SE coast. This kelp, 30 metres high, is extremely temperature sensitive and has suffered a rapid, 95% decline (ABC News 24), ME Merrelyn Emery says: April 20, 2013 at 9:01 pm Sorry, forgot to mention that the immediate mechanism seems to be changes in the SE Australian current, ME Joan Savage says: April 20, 2013 at 9:46 pm What do people know about “sudden stratospheric warmings?” In the linked article: “New and cutting edge research is showing a relationship between the Arctic warm phases (and their associated high latitude blocking) with bursts of warmth which develop in the stratosphere called “sudden stratospheric warmings.” When warm periods in the stratosphere occur, winds in the stratosphere can actually reverse direction. In the winter, that’s pretty radical. A lot of research is going on to better understand the relationship between a warmer Arctic and sudden stratospheric warmings.” http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/the_arctics_relationship_to_ou.html The warmer Arctic’s relationship to Central New York weather: Warm there, cold here by Dave Eichorn [a veteran meteorologist] coolplanet says: April 20, 2013 at 10:33 pm Only problem is this guy lives in Iowa. jk says: April 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm Mac OSX. No problem with Firefox 20.0, Safari 6.0.3, Google Chrome 26.0.1410.65. Brian R Smith says: April 21, 2013 at 12:50 am The Good, the Bad and the Octopus: self-profiling for basic awareness in 2 sports… Google “ski industry climate” and you get returns like “Climate Change Threatens Ski Industry’s Livelihood – NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/…/climate-change-threatens-ski-industrys-liveliho... .. often featuring Protect Our Winters, one of many coalitions of ski/snowboard industry and groups and individuals lobbying for climate action. POW says “Snow-based recreation in the United States is estimated to contribute $67 billion annually to the US economy and supports over 600,000 jobs. So when we look at the cost of inaction, it’s serious business. We represent the global snow sports community – there are 23 million of us in the US alone. Clearly, it’s time for us all to step up and take responsibility to save a season that fuels our passions but is also the foundation for our livelihoods, our jobs and the economic vitality of our mountain regions.” This is good. Compare this to what you get when you Google “octopus hockey”: Hockey fan throws shark with octopus sewn into its mouth onto ice … abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/sports/pro/hockey&id… or my favorite: Hockey Fans Throwing Weird Crap on the Ice: A City-by-City Breakdown http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/…/hockey…/1992/ from which we learn: “The Red Wings basically started the whole throwing-bizarre-crud-onto-the-ice tradition when a pair of brothers lobbed an octopus during the 1952 Stanley Cups playoff. (They won it.) Detroit has since embraced the octopode as its spirit animal, throwing suction-cupped beasts as heavy as 50 pounds into the heat of the action and naming a team mascot Al the Octopus. One of the poor souls tasked with sweeping up the ice has commented: ”They are so gross. They’re huge, they’re heavy, they stink and they leave this slimy trail on the ice. But, hey, if it’s good for the team, I guess we can deal with it.” So why these creatures? Legend has it that each of the tentacles symbolizes a playoff win. Makes sense.” This is bad. Also confusing, considering (Wikipedia): “Studies by the Sports Marketing Group conducted from 1998 to 2004 show that the NHL’s fan base is much more affluent than that of the PGA Tour. A study done by the Stanford Graduate School of Business in 2004, found that NHL fans in America were the MOST EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT of the four major leagues. They were also found to be substantially more computer literate than the other fans.” So we might expect hockey fans would have as good a chance as anyone of being disgusted with public displays of marine animal cruelty and some idea of the larger problem of human destruction of ocean ecosystems. Or that the the Greenland ice sheet is not doing as well as the fossil-cooled ice down on the rink. Guess not. Ok, not all hockey fans are brutes, but jesus who are these people? Well, it’s a tribal thing! just like the social scientists tell us, and it’s what’s for dinner in dealing with climate reality & the public. I have a Heyduke Lives patch for anyone who bags the hockey fan climate lobby. Mulga Mumblebrain says: April 21, 2013 at 5:21 am And the giant cuttlefish of South Australia are going the same way, just as fast. Mulga Mumblebrain says: April 21, 2013 at 5:24 am We have not the faintest idea of the ramifications of our destructive ways, and the ruling elites have little interest, hoping to escape by leaving this mortal coil in the nick of time. The ‘unknown unknowns’ are coming thick and fast. DRT says: April 21, 2013 at 8:23 am Kochtopus Seeks New Use For Ink http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/business/media/koch-brothers-making-play-for-tribunes-newspapers.html?_r=0 Koch Industries,…is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Company’s eight regional newspapers. In a slightly damp and smudged written statement, the bothers stated “We really feel that the rate of destruction of Earth’s biosphere is insufficient. We hope that with the purchase of these newspapers we can really ramp that up.” An unnamed spokesman for the Koch’s stated that the brothers hope to vastly increase the spread of their lies and disinformation so as to keep the rabble even more uninformed than they are already. Steve in Miami says: April 21, 2013 at 8:27 am I’m using Firefox 20.0.1 on Windows XP and IE 8.0.6001 (?). As I said, neither of them show the talk bubble, but in Firefox, I can’t see the comments even if I click the headline. It’s very annoying because IE is absurdly slow (at least on my computer), but I have to use it for this site if I want to read the discussions. My work computers all run XP but I know it’s not a problem with XP because a few of them do show the talk bubble. Oh, and I have cookies enabled in my Firefox. Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 8:36 am Umm, loss of ozone in the stratosphere allows for warming. One of NASA’s satallites studies it, as it is regional (or spotted) and variable. How much warming? Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 8:51 am Also, ozone in the lower atmosphere increases warming. So an increase of fossil fuelism (?) leads to sudden warming. Way down here in the wild blue yonder. Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm If corporations are people, then how does it work out in regard to human trafficking and slavery. I can understand that coorporations are made up of people, and that human trafficking is bad but as coorporations are bought and sold and the corporation has the rights of a person then why not the right to freedom. Shouldn’t slavery be stamped out during our lifetimes. Brooks Bridges says: April 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm No problem with any browser on my Mac laptop. However, neither my old DroidX or new iphone 5 can see comments even if I run browsers directly. Chris Winter says: April 21, 2013 at 2:44 pm Same O/S and version of Firefox here, and I’ve had no problems posting at Climate Progress. You might try accepting 3rd-party cookies, just for a test. Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 4:00 pm Also with coorporations having rights then a coorporation could sue another corp for injury from the dangers of pollution, even slaves have some rights. catman306 says: April 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm Kevin Drum writes about the lack of support in congress for a carbon tax: A Tax Everyone Can Love (But No One Actually Does) http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/04/tax-everyone-should-love-no-one-actually-does Joan Savage says: April 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm Skeptical Science reports about a recent “sudden stratospheric warming,” and we even have an acronym SSW, so I’m looking forward to more public education on this topic. Here’s a SkS quote: What about those big high pressure areas causing all that thin ice to crack and get caught up in the Beaufort Gyre? Not only have they been spurring on the spectacular cracking event of recent weeks, they are also helping winter to keep parts of the US and Europe in its icy grip. The highs are tied to a sudden stratospheric warming event (SSW) that has effectively made the Polar Vortex collapse relatively early, after it was already considerably weakened by a SSW in January. The Polar Vortex normally keeps cold air from spilling out all over the Northern Hemisphere. http://www.skepticalscience.com/arctic-freezing-season-ends-with-a-loud-crack.html Joan Savage says: April 21, 2013 at 7:02 pm Arctic freezing season ends with a loud crack Posted on 23 March 2013 by Neven David B. Benson says: April 21, 2013 at 7:15 pm There was no global MWP: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/04/the-pages-2k-synthesis/ Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 9:13 pm With mothers Day coming up, there could be a “you tried celebration”. Yes mother coorporations could be said to have split personalities and in need of psycho-therapy. Raul M. says: April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm NCAR with COMET’s MetEd might be able to help as it is a free educational program that covers many subjects. Calamity Jean says: April 21, 2013 at 11:23 pm Tree transit trails? FrankD says: April 22, 2013 at 3:01 am Joan, SSW events have been a regular topic of conversation at Neven’s blog and the associated forum for several months now. I don’t have links, but you should be able to search for the term of the abbreviation and find enough to keep you busy. fj says: April 22, 2013 at 5:19 am A city built around tree transit trails would be nice. fj says: April 22, 2013 at 5:56 am Express trails would be at tree tops with the slower meandering local trails further down. Scenic fun trails weaving and rising and dipping around could provide a nice diversion while en route. fj says: April 22, 2013 at 6:03 am With lots of growing living infrastructure, cities could evolve to have an edenesque quality with a high quality life and a low cost of living. fj says: April 22, 2013 at 6:09 am Taken to the extreme, some places might evolve to be teeming with life where a character like Star Wars’ Yoda would be right at home and people would truly feel the exquisite force of living world’s.