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Perino: Congress Knew More About CIA Activities Than Bush, President Not ‘Aware’ Of Torture Tapes

During the White House press briefing today, reporters bore into White House Press Secretary Dana Perino over when President Bush was first informed about the CIA’s destruction of videotapes in 2005 that featured agency officials using harsh interrogation tactics. Perino said that Bush had “no recollection of being made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday”:

QUESTION: Thanks. On these CIA videotapes, did either the President or Vice President or Condoleezza Rice, when she was National Security Advisor, or Steve Hadley, see them before they were destroyed?

PERINO: I spoke to the President, and so I will have to defer on the others. But I spoke to the President this morning about this. He has no recollection of being made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday. He was briefed by General Hayden yesterday morning.

Watch it:

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If what Perino says is true, it means that members of Congress were more informed of the CIA’s activities than the president himself. In his letter to agency employees yesterday, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden stated that “leaders of Congressional oversight committees were fully briefed on the matter.

Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) told the AP that she was made aware of the tapes’ existence in 2003:

California Rep. Jane Harman, then the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, was one of four lawmakers informed in 2003 of the tapes’ existence and the CIA’s intention to ultimately destroy them.

“I told the CIA that destroying videotapes of interrogations was a bad idea and urged them in writing not to do it,” Harman said.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) says he was also made aware of the tapes’ destruction in 2006:

While we were provided with very limited information about the existence of the tapes, we were not consulted on their usage nor the decision to destroy the tapes. And, we did not learn until much later, November 2006 — 2 months after the full committee was briefed on the program — that the tapes had in fact been destroyed in 2005.

According to Perino, Bush says he wasn’t “made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday,” but members of Congress learned of the tapes in early 2003 and then their destruction in late 2006.

As President, Bush is in charge of the executive branch, which the CIA is a part of. But somehow, the administration that has vastly expanded executive authority, expects the public to believe that Congress knows more about the CIA’s interrogation activities than the President does.

UPDATE: Rockefeller just put out another statement saying that he wasn’t actually told of the tape’s destruction in 2006, but confirming that he was told of their existence in 2003.

UPDATE II: In “an angry letter” to CIA Director Michael V. Hayden, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) and the committee’s ranking member and former chairman, Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) say that “simply is not true” that the CIA informed the committee of the tapes’ destruction in 2005, as Hayden’s statement said on Thursday.

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So according to Jane Harman:

In early 2003, in my capacity at Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, I received a highly classified briefing on CIA interrogation practices from the agency’s General Counsel. The briefing raised a number of serious concerns and led me to send a letter to the General Counsel. Both the briefing and my letter are classified so I cannot reveal specifics, but I did caution against destruction of any videotapes.

Given the nature of the classification, I was not free to mention this subject publicly until Director Hayden disclosed it yesterday. To my knowledge, the Intelligence Committee was never informed that any videotapes had been destroyed. Surely I was not.

This matter must be promptly and fully investigated and I call for my letter of February 2003, which was never responded to and has been in the CIA’s files ever since, to be declassified.

On some level, obviously, one needs to sympathize with a member of congress who’s being stymied by abuse of the classification procedure. At the same time, this is hardly a one-off. The clearest example, at this point, is probably the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, where the Bush administration released a declassified version that had different bottom-line conclusions than did the classified version. Obviously, while it’s perfectly appropriate to classify substantial portions of an NIE, the conclusions themselves don’t contain sources and methods, and there was no justification for them ever to be classified.

What members who find themselves in the position Harman says she’s in — and the position that Dick Durbin, Carl Levin, and others found themselves in regarding the 2002 NIE — need to realize is that on some level acquiescence in these kind of abuses winds up legitimizing them. A member who believes he or she is in possession of evidence of crimes being committed and covered-up through illegitmate classification ought to seriously consider civil disobedience: calling a press conference, stating the facts, and accepting responsibility for the consequences. The White House could, of course, then turn around and seek to prosecute a member for violating classification laws, and the member could argue justification and we’d have it out. That’s a tough call to make, clearly. But our political leaders have responsibilities to the country and to the constitution and I’ve never seen a candidate for office say something like “I’m the one who likes to abdicate responsibility, decline to make the tough calls, and then when someone else gets to the bottom of things try to make sure that my ass was covered.”

Climate Progress

Hybrid sales up 82% Nov 07 vs. Nov 06

hybrid_sales_2007111.pngHybrid sales are taking off again as gasoline prices soar:

Reported sales of hybrids in the US in November rose 82% year-on-year to reach 33,233 total units, representing 2.8% of all light-duty vehicles sold during the month. GM does not break out its hybrid sales separately, and so is not reflected in the hybrid number–thus, the actual hybrid total and new market share will [be] slightly higher.

Toyota posted a strong month, with Prius sales hitting 16,737 units, up 109% from the year before.

Still a small fraction of U.S. vehicles sold, but gas prices clearly do have some impact on purchasing decisions.

Politics

Krongard resigns.

Reuters reports that embattled State Department Inspector General Howard Krongard has announced his resignation.

Media

‘More Candor’ From Joe Klein

klein4.jpg Yesterday, The New York Times published an explosive report revealing that in 2005, the CIA destroyed tapes documenting harsh interrogation tactics against two al Qaeda operatives. For the past two years, the administration has hid the destruction of the tapes from the American public. Even when the tapes were still around, officials refused to hand them over to the 9/11 Commission.

Only after the Times informed the CIA that it was publishing its article did the agency finally admit that to destroying these tapes:

The New York Times informed the intelligence agency on Wednesday evening that it was preparing to publish an article about the destruction of the tapes. In his statement to employees on Thursday, General Hayden said that the agency had acted “in line with the law” and that he was informing C.I.A. employees “because the press has learned” about the matter.

Yet no act by the Bush administration is too small to go unrecognized by Time’s Joe Klein, who saw it as “more candor“:

CIA Director Hayden acknowledges that the public was going to find out about the CIA torture tapes anyway, but he still gets points for coming clean. [...]

[T]his represents yet another case where the intelligence community has released information that hammers the Bush Administration’s credibility–and, more important, helps the prospects of the bill that Congress will soon produce mandating that all government agencies conform to the anti-torture provisions of the Army Field Manual.

The intelligence community did not release the information. As Hayden himself admitted, he is talking about the issue only “because the press has learned” about it. The only justification for destroying evidence that the CIA has “released” is a flimsy excuse.

So according to Klein, when the administration reveals any information that makes them look bad, it’s “candor.” It doesn’t matter if the administration is forced to do so or has been trying to cover it up. What Klein is doing is rewarding government deception. It’s fine to deceive the public, as long as you eventually fess up to it when the media forces your hand.

UPDATE: Atrios’s take on Klein: “My God. Joe Klein now thinks destroying evidence and covering up war crimes is an example of ‘candor’ and ‘coming clean.’”

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CIA analysts willing to ‘go to jail’ to ensure NIE’s release.

Retired Col. W. Patrick Lang, a former official in the Defense Intelligence Agency, reveals that senior CIA analysts pushed for the NIE’s key judgments on Iran to be released, threatening to speak to the media if they weren’t:

The “jungle telegraph” in Washington is booming with news of the Iran NIE. I am told that the reason the conclusions of the NIE were released is that it was communicated to the White House that “intelligence career seniors were lined up to go to jail if necessary” if the document’s gist were not given to the public. Translation? Someone in that group would have gone to the media “on the record” to disclose its contents.

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Start Snitchin’

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How, you wonder, does the CIA get away with something like destroying video evidence of illegal activity? Surely there’s some congressional oversight. Well, as it turns out, there sort of is: Senator Jay Rockefeller and Rep. Jane Harman knew some of what was going on and were maybe kinda sorta upset about it, but they didn’t take any public action of the sort that might have actually prevented the evidence from being destroyed. As Marty Lederman observes, “Jay Rockefeller is constantly learning of legally dubious (at best) CIA intelligence activities, and then saying nothing about them publicly until they are leaked to the press, at which point he expresses outrage and incredulity — but reveals nothing.”

The Democratic leadership really needs to start taking these Intel Committee postings more seriously. These are jobs that require smart, savvy, credible people who are prepared to wield the authority of their offices effectively. The country, by necessity, is going to have intelligence services who do a lot of things in the dark with someone minimal oversight. The burden of doing that oversight falls on the intelligence committees, and it’s an extremely important job. Time and again Rockefeller looks not ready for prime time.

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Torture Ban

Reps. Delahunt and Nadler sent me a press release hailing the decision to include their legislative language extending the congressional prohibition on torture to the CIA in the House and Senate Conference Report on the Intelligence Authorization bill for 2008:

“We need policies that reflect our respect for basic human rights. Waterboarding and other acts of torture are not only ineffective interrogation techniques but are contrary to American core values,” Rep. Delahunt said. “We must make it clear that the use of torture is wrong and will not be condoned.”

“America’s values and our respect for the rule of law must be reaffirmed,” said Rep. Nadler. “Torture, including practices like waterboarding, violates the legal and moral standards of all civilized nations. While the notion that torture works has been glorified in television shows and movies, the simple truth is this: torture has never been an effective interrogation method. We must stand for the principles that define this nation and clarify in the law that we will not torture.”

The Nadler-Delahunt bill, H.R. 4114, the American Anti-Torture Act of 2007, would extend the first part of the McCain Amendment, which requires the Department of Defense to comply with the interrogation standards set forth in the Army Field Manual, to all government agencies. This would include the CIA – the agency reportedly responsible for carrying out the Administration’s “enhanced” or “alternate” interrogation program and for operating secret overseas prisons.

I agree. Both Representatives have done excellent work on this issue, and the leadership is to be congratulated on moving forward with it. A presidential veto is all-but-certain and we’ll see where Bush’s values lie when he blocks intelligence funding in order to preserve his legal right to order people tortured.

Security

Sen. Whitehouse Reveals Secret DoJ Legal Memos: Bush Determines What Is Constitutional

This morning, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) delivered an impassioned floor speech to help frame the debate over FISA reform. Using his privilege as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Whitehouse said he has “spent hours poring over” secret opinions issued by the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) — and he took notes.

Whitehouse is a lawyer, a former U.S. Attorney, a former legal counsel to Rhode Island’s Governor, and a former State Attorney General. He said he sought and received permission to have his notes declassified because he wanted to show the public “what the Bush administration does behind our backs when they think no one is looking.”

“To give you an example of what I read,” Whitehouse said on the Senate floor, “I have gotten three legal propositions from these secret OLC opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note-taking could reproduce them from the classified documents”:

1. An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.

2. The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President’s authority under Article II.

3. The Department of Justice is bound by the President’s legal determinations.

Watch it:

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Emptywheel has the full statement and more commentary.

UPDATE: Marty Lederman calls Sen. Whitehouse’s speech “misdirected outrage” and argues that the “statements in question are boilerplate, and fairly uncontroversial.”

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Team B

Ilan Goldberg correctly notes that the sort of funny business on the NIE that I attributed to Yossi Klein Halevi below is popping up all around the conservosphere. He also rightly notes that this should be connected to the long “Team B” legacy on the right, where conservatives look at intelligence reports then jump up and down screaming that they’re insufficiently alarmist. Most of the time, this kind of Team Bing succeeds in bringing political pressure to bear to gin up more alarmist reports, which then turn out to be false, and then in typical up-is-downist manner this becomes adduced as evidence in favor of the unreliability of conventional intelligence methods the next time around.

Laura Rozen’s 2003 Washington Monthly article about “an obscure essay, ‘Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous),’ published a few years ago by Gary Schmitt and Abram Shulsky” remains a vital explanation of the higher theoretical basis for behaving in this manner. But suffice it to say that there are no accidents here, there’s a deeply flawed method that almost invariably produces unduly alarmist conclusions.

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