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Matthews: The netroots ‘get their giggles from sitting in the backseat and bitching.’

Today on MSNBC’s Hardball, Chris Matthews brought on John Heilemann from New York Magazine to talk about President Obama’s popularity with Democrats. When Heilemann noted that the “Democratic left” has been “trashing the health care bill” this week, Matthews said that those people were part of the “netroots” and not “regular grown-up Democrats”:

MATTHEWS: I don’t consider them Democrats, I consider them netroots, and they’re different. And if I see that they vote in every election or most elections, I’ll be worried. But I’m not sure that they’re regular grown-up Democrats. I think that a lot of those people are troublemakers who love to sit in the backseat and complain. They’re not interested in governing this country. They never ran for office, they’re not interested in working for somebody in public office. They get their giggles from sitting in the backseat and bitching.

Watch it:

Update

OpenLeft, Media Matters, and FireDogLake offer reactions.

Alyssa

A Few Tips for Bill Cosby’s Rap Group

Sadly, such a thing does in fact exist.  Courtesy (or perhaps cursedly?) PostBourgie’s G.D.:


Bill Cosby Presents The Cosnarati performs “Safe of Your Heart” from Bill Cosby on Vimeo.

A few thoughts.  1) The articulation that makes for good flow means it’s generally a poor idea to have a bunch of folks rapping a chorus together.  2)  In that vein, it would be good to make sure your sound system and mics are set up to deliver clear audio.  Doesn’t matter how clear and tight you are if no one can hear you.  3) Your production should not manage to be simultaneously boring and distracting, as this combination of drumming and synthesizer beats invariably is.  4)  If you’re going to wear a vest, collared shirt and tie, it might be wise to make sure your shirt is actually tucked in.  And 5) as a special notice to the gentleman on the left (from the perspective of the viewer), those long beads and feathers on either side of your head make you look like a rabbit with undergrown ears who compensated by raiding a textbook on Native American ornamentation traditions.

Yglesias

Health Care and Iraq

The cute meme of the day seems to be that the health care reform debate is breaking down along the same lines as the Iraq debate. Which is to say that since, for example, Matt Yglesias was wrong about Iraq he’s also wrong about health care and we should listen to Howard Dean.

jennifer_eccleston_miss_shock_and_awe

I think the theory that this is how the debate is lining up is just factually mistaken. Atrios opposed the war but says he doesn’t want to kill the bill. Barack Obama opposed the war, and he definitely doesn’t want to kill the bill. John McCain supported the war, and he definitely does want to kill the bill. Carl Levin was against the war and he supports the bill. A lot of the leading Netroots opponents of the health care bill, like Jane Hamsher, weren’t blogging back during the winter of 2002-2003 when this was being hashed out. Paul Krugman was against Iraq and supports the bill.

It’s true that views about the Iraq War line up with views about health care only if you exclude (a) all politicians, (b) all conservatives, and (c) the most prominent liberal pundit in the country. But that’s a mighty arbitrary way of looking at the universe.

Health

The Case For The Individual Mandate

keithmarkosSince the disintegration of the public option/Medicare buy-in compromise, some progressives have joined ranks with conservative critics to argue against requiring Americans to purchase health insurance coverage. The turn-around is as extraordinary as it is reactionary. In their anger at Joe Lieberman and the failure of the public plan, progressives are inadvertently supporting a policy that would increase costs and jeopardizes crucial insurance regulations.

Consider the numbers. Last week, liberals defended an individual mandate since the merged Senate bill would have pushed 3 million Americans into the public option and 12 million into private insurance. This week, all 15 million Americans (roughly half of the expanded population) will be required to purchase private insurance. The three million difference is enough to torpedo this bill:

- KEITH OLBERMANN: “The mandate in this bill … must be stripped out,” Olbermann said. “It is above all else immoral and a betrayal of the people who elected you.”

- MARKOS MOULITSAS: Strip out the mandate, and the rest of the bill is palatable. It’s not reform, but it’s progress in the right direction. And you can still go back and tinker with it at a later time.

- DEMOCRACY FOR AMERICA: So, the bill doesn’t actually “cover” 30 million more Americans – instead it makes them criminals if they don’t buy insurance from the same companies that got us into this mess.

The math is really quite simple. The individual mandate creates incentives for otherwise healthy Americans to purchase insurance and may be the the only way to achieve affordable universal coverage. Without a mandate, only the sick who need health care would be motivated to purchase it. The pool of insured would be weighted with sick individuals, forcing the costs of the premium to escalate. According to a study by MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, “a plan without mandates, broadly resembling the Obama plan, would cover 23 million of those currently uninsured, at a taxpayer cost of $102 billion per year. An otherwise identical plan with mandates would cover 45 million of the uninsured — essentially everyone — at a taxpayer cost of $124 billion.” As Paul Krugman concludes, a plan without mandates would cost $4,400 per newly insured person, the plan with mandates only $2,700.

Since every person has at least some risk of experiencing a medical crisis, encouraging Americans to assume a collective responsibility for medical cost is a reasonable proposition. Its also essential for reforming health insurance markets. After all, demanding insurers accept every applicant without regard for pre-existing condition and charge every beneficiary a community rate is impossible if healthy people game the system and wait until they fall ill to purchase coverage. After all why would anyone spend their healthier years paying insurance premiums if the neighbor across the street can obtain the same coverage for the same rate on a need-it-now basis?

Unlike the public option, a strong individual mandate that’s structured to change behavior and encourage individuals to purchase coverage is the glue that maintains reform’s affordability and regulatory provisions. Strip it, and you might as well “kill the bill.”

Politics

Franken refuses Lieberman’s request to drag on Senate debate. (Updated)

This afternoon, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) spoke for 10 minutes on the Senate floor about a health care amendment he is co-sponsoring. After his 10 minutes expired, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) — the president chair of the Senate at the time — informed Lieberman his time was up. When Lieberman requested “just an additional moment,” Franken retorted, “In my capacity as Senator from Minnesota, I object.” “Really??” a surprised Lieberman said, “don’t take it personally.” Lieberman’s friend, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), flipped out, erupting in anger at Franken’s move:

MCCAIN: I’ve never seen a member denied an extra minute or so, as the chair just did.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D-MI): If the chair would yield for that…I think the same thing did occur earlier this afternoon, for reasons which have to do with trying to get this bill going. […]

MCCAIN: I think it harms the comity of the Senate.

Watch it:


Update

A Senate staffer tells ThinkProgress that the reason Franken cut off Lieberman is because Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) office has been asking all presiding chairs to enforce the 10-minute rule for both sides. Franken was simply following the direction of leadership.

Yglesias

Franken to Lieberman: STFU

I was saying around the office that I think what was missing from the Lieberman public option sellout deal was a healthy dose of liberal catharsis. Like if Lieberman got the leadership to agree to drop the public option, but in exchange Bernie Sanders gets to slap Lieberman five times in the face as hard as he can. Then maybe people could feel a bit better about being made to do something distasteful. Didn’t play out that way, but Al Franken’s dose of petty vengeance here captures some of the spirit:

I approve.

Alyssa

Looks Matter

So, I watched the first five episodes of the motion comic adaptation of Joss Whedon and John Cassaday’s Astonishing X-Men run.  And as much as the plot’s a lot of fun, I have to say, it looks terrible:

When I first saw previews for this, I assumed the animation looked so choppy because it was an early cut or something.  Not so.  It’s rare that I’d express doubts about an entire form, but motion comics seem to me like a dubious product for a couple of reasons.  First, there’s no reason to translate something from the page to an animated screen unless you think you can add something to it or valuably reinterpret it.  The voice work is nothing particularly extraordinary, so the visuals need to justify the project, and they don’t.  The motion comics are only barely different from reading a page, and they’re so awkward it’s a detrimental viewing experience.  X-Men: Evolution may not be a masterpiece, but it’s a fluid viewing experience, and putting the mutants in the context of a relatively normal high school is a pretty cute idea:

And right now the third through fourth seasons (the first two are in syndication to Disney HD at the moment) are on Hulu, so unlike the Astonishing X-Men motion comic, you don’t even have to wait for your fix!

Security

How Serious Are Conservatives About Iran Sanctions?

iran missileAt the Weekly Standard, Jamie Fly, policy director at the neoconservative Foreign Policy Initiative, looks at the Obama administration’s attempts to put the brakes on the Senate version of the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act (IRPSA), and asks “How serious is the administration about Iran sanctions?

[G]iven the uncertain prospects at the United Nations, it is somewhat surprising that the administration is not using the Iran sanctions legislation moving through Congress as a lever to influence the Russians, Chinese, and Europeans. Instead, the administration is asking the Senate to significantly modify its version of the legislation (sponsored by Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.). Even though the legislation was hotlined last week, Sen. Kerry has held it up at the administration’s request. [...]

It is unlikely that either the House or the Senate versions is a silver bullet – questions remain about the impact on the regime even if the current legislation passed and was promptly implemented by the administration. But the administration’s efforts to gut the legislation and its sensitivity about the supposedly robust international coalition they like to tout as a product of their willingness to talk to Tehran raises questions about how serious they and their “partners” are about stopping Iran’s progress toward a nuclear weapon.

Not “a silver bullet?” That’s like saying Sarah Palin is “not the greatest mind of her time.” There’s really no one who seriously argues that these particular sanctions will do anything to positively effect the Iranian regime’s behavior. As Amb. James Dobbins put it in testimony (pdf) to the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs on Tuesday, “A unilateral American ban with extraterritorial application” — such as is contained in both the House and Senate bills — “would seem to offer the worst combination of effects, penalizing the population, strengthening the regime, embroiling the United States in endless disputes with its allies, and thereby disrupting existing international solidarity in opposition to Iran’s nuclear aspirations.” Each of the other three Iran experts testifying voiced very similar concerns.

But, as a congressional aide told The Forward, “the State Department had made clear that it [did] not oppose Berman’s decision to move the legislation forward and bring it to a vote, a move that would enable the administration to prove it is ready to crank up pressure against Iran.” That is, according to the source, the administration is using the legislation in precisely in the manner Fly complains it’s not being used. Indeed, the only conceivable effective use of these sanctions (of which I’m highly skeptical, as I noted yesterday, given the real potential for undermining support for measures that might actually work) is as a riding crop raised over the hindquarters of our international partners.

I think a much better question is: How serious are conservatives about sanctions? At all serious? Or are they just trying to check a box before moving on to the air strikes for which many of them are no longer even bothering to conceal their enthusiasm?

Briefly, on the political-strategic point, I really hope the administration isn’t being too sanguine about its ability to hold up the legislation while leveraging it into cooperation from our international partners. Any way you look at it, this is a tick in the wrong direction, and raises the pressure for “doing something” and then “doing more” when, given the current state of the Iranian regime, doing less might be called for. As we know from very recent history, these measures can and do create momentum that becomes irreversible, until eventually we’ll be told that we have no other choice than to proceed over the cliff.

Yglesias

Pushback

People wondering why the White House does tough, public pushback against Howard Dean but not against the likes of Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman ought to take a deep breath and consider that Nelson and Lieberman . . . get votes in the United States Senate.

The White House hasn’t publicly attacked Bernie Sanders or Roland Burris over there Dean-esque doubts any more than they’ve publicly denounced Nelson or Lieberman. That’s because the White House doesn’t want to get into a downward spiral of recriminations with any of the 62 Senators who they’re hoping will vote for the bill.

Politics

Steve King: Tea Partiers Are ‘Working Americans,’ Unlike The ‘Non-Working Americans’ Who Protested Bush

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) holds the House health care billOn Tuesday, around 3,000 conservative — organized by Americans For Prosperity — held a Code Red Rally on Capitol Hill to protest health care reform.

On WorldNetDaily’s radio show today, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) claimed that all of the protesters were “working Americans” who left their jobs to protest President Obama. King called this “a new thing” in America, asserting that it was only “a lot of non-working Americans” who protested “when George Bush was President”:

COROMBOS: Do you get the sense that Americans are energized more as each of these controversial issues come up or are you sensing some political fatigue out there?

KING: You know, I don’t sense political fatigue. There’s sometimes, there’s physical fatigue and then sometimes a little bit of mental, a mental lapse. It’s not really a lapse, but its mentally, slowly they’ll lose their will a little bit. And then if something happens and it braces them up again.

People’s pocket books are only so deep and they can only take so many days off work. These are the working Americans that are coming out to protest now. That’s a new thing. We’ve seen a lot of non-working Americans protest when George Bush was president, but these are people who have to leave their jobs or their businesses or their families and come to their communities or come to Washington, DC. Their only fatigued because of the limits of their budget and their time, but they’re not fatigued in their conviction.

From denying the influence of astroturf groups to inflating the size of their crowds, conservatives have sought to cast their protests as the true embodiment of “real America.” King’s claim is an arrogant insult aimed at undermining the legitimacy of the hundreds of thousands of Americans, both employed and unemployed, who protested the Bush administration’s policies.

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