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10:41 pm
Biden's 'malarkey' tops Google search
On CNN, Soledad O’Brien reported that “malarkey” became a top search on Google after the vice president used the word during the debate.
10:31 pm
Ryan's budget guts social programs for lower-income Americans
Biden just brought up the fact that Ryan’s budget really hurts low-income people. Sixty two percent of the cuts are from programs that benefit low-income people.
10:27 pm
Catholic leaders have denounced Ryan's policies
Ryan’s policies have been widely criticized by Catholic scholars, nuns, and bishops. The Nuns on the Bus, who have traveled around the country to advocate for economic justice, have denounced Ryan’s budget as “immoral and unjustifiable” because it “will be putting the burden on the poor.”
10:26 pm
Ryan says 'unelected judges' should not set our abortion policy
But he wants five unelected justices to set our health care policy. And he gave a speech last year suggesting that unelected judges should impose “limited government, low taxes, [and] sound money” upon the country, regardless of what our elected officials enact. The Constitution says nothing about judges setting economy policy — it say that choice belongs to the people’s elected representatives.
10:23 pm
Ryan co-sponsored 'personhood' amendment
While Joe Biden said the Catholic Church believes that life begins at conception, the Vice President said he would not impose that value on anyone else. But Ryan co-sponsored a radical “personhood” amendment that endows a fertilized egg with “all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.” This type of legislation would outlaw abortion, invitro fertilization, and some forms of contraception.
10:22 pm
Something you should know about Ryan's record on abortion
Before Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) infamously said that women cannot get pregnant from “legitimate rape,” Ryan worked with him to try to narrow the definition of rape. Ryan has teamed up with Akin to co-sponsor eight anti-choice bills to limit women’s reproductive freedom:
10:21 pm
Obama doesn't fund abortions abroad
Ryan misunderstands the Obama administration’s policy, which allows foreign aid to fund lifesaving organizations that also may provide information about abortion or abortion services.
10:20 pm
Obamacare doesn’t cover abortion services
Under the Hyde Amendment, the government cannot use federal funds to pay for abortion services. Obamacare neither violates this nor allows copay-free access to abortions. The law does cover emergency contraception like Plan B, which is not an abortifacient, despite common misconceptions.
10:19 pm
Ryan has opposed abortion access for rape victims since 1998
Ryan just stated that he and Romney support an exception for rape victims. But in reality, Ryan does not think rape is a valid reason for a woman to seek an abortion.
10:19 pm
The truth about the contraception mandate
Religious institutions haven’t been forced to “violate their conscience” by paying for contraception, as Ryan insinuated. Obamacare’s contraception mandate contains a “widely accepted compromise that exempts houses of worship and other religious organizations from covering contraceptive services they object to.
10:18 pm
Ryan can’t defend his budget with Catholic teachings
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops sent letters to various Congressional committees harshly criticizing Ryan’s budget, saying it disproportionately cut programs that “serve poor and vulnerable people.” These programs include food stamps, Medicaid, and other parts of the social safety net — the tools our society uses to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves.
10:14 pm
Biden presses Ryan for details on foreign policy
Romney/Ryan have continuously criticized Obama’s foreign policy strategy without offering any viable alternatives. For instance, asked about Syria during the debate, Ryan actually pointed to a similarity: “We agree with the same red line they do, on chemical weapons…they’re right about that.”
10:04 pm
Ryan attacks and agrees with Obama's Afghanistan withdrawal timeline
The Romney/Ryan campaign has criticized the Obama administration’s Afghanistan policy but hasn’t offered and specifics or any substance. Tonight, Ryan endorsed Obama’s timeline to withdraw by 2014 and did not offer any alternative. “We don’t want to stay,” he said. Oddly, Ryan then criticized Obama for setting a timeline, but said he and Romney agree with it.
10:03 pm
Right-wing commentators are turning on the debate moderator
Holy cow Raddatz just went hardcore pit bull, using Democrat attack lines word for word.
— Jeff Emanuel (@jeffemanuel) October 12, 2012
Martha “Obama attended my wedding” Raddatz is just letting Biden get away w murder in this debate. #VPDebate
— Matthew Boyle (@mboyle1) October 12, 2012
Martha Raddatz has lost control of the debate.
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) October 12, 2012
Biden is a malicious man, and Raddatz is a pushover. Giving female moderators a bad name.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 12, 2012
I miss Jim Lehrer. @newshour #debate
— Karl Rove (@KarlRove) October 12, 2012
10:02 pm
Navy wouldn't be the smallest it's been since 1917
The line that the Navy would be the smallest its been since 1917 is just not accurate. Politifact judged it “pants on fire.”
10:01 pm
Ryan demands wasteful defense spending
Though Ryan faults the Obama administration for not increasing defense spending to his preferred levels, the Pentagon says they don’t need the extra material.
9:58 pm
Ryan agues for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq
Ryan said that Obama should have kept U.S. troops in Iraq to prevent weapons shipments from Iran to Syria. He did not explain how having American forces there would have prevented such an outcome. Romney and Ryan have attacked Obama for ending the war in Iraq, calling it “tragic.” Watch it:
9:58 pm
CHART: Romney-Ryan want to increase defense spending
Military spending would increase under a Romney administration, even though it already accounts for 20 percent of the federal budget and 50 percent of discretionary spending:
9:56 pm
About those 6 studies Ryan was talking about...
Ryan claims that 6 studies say the math adds up on the Romney-Ryan tax plan. If those are the same studies Romney has touted before, they prove that Romney would have to raise taxes on the middle class in order to keep his promise not to lose revenue. Two studies done by the Wall Street Journal simply reiterate right-wing talking points without crunching the numbers.
9:55 pm
Letting high-income Bush tax cuts expire won't slow growth
Multiple studies have shown that allowing the high-income Bush tax cuts to expire at the end of the year will have little, if any, effect on economic growth.
9:55 pm
Biden notes that Romney thinks 'it's fair' that he pays a lower tax rate than the middle class
Romney paid a tax rate of less than 14 percent on his annual income of $20 million, a far lower rate than most middle-class Americans pay. When pressed by CBS’s Scott Pelley, Romney agreed that it’s a “fair” arrangement and the “right way to encourage economic growth.”
9:53 pm
Ryan misleads on the corporate income tax
Ryan tried to make it seem that the U.S. has a high corporate income tax rate by comparing the 35 percent rate here to the 15 percent rate in Canada. However, due to loopholes and deductions, few U.S. companies pay the full 35 percent rate. In fact, the U.S. has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the developed world.
9:53 pm
Ryan won’t say if he supports closing the carried interest tax loophole
Ryan says he’ll close loopholes, but has actually refused to say whether he would support closing the carried interest tax loophole, which wealthy hedge fund managers and private equity managers use to have a portion of their income taxed at 15 percent, leading to a significantly lower overall tax rate. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that closing the loophole would generate $7.4 billion in 5 years and $17.7 billion in 10 years:
9:52 pm
Ryan cannot explain Romney’s tax plan
Ryan is trying his hardest not to give an explanation of the Romney-Ryan tax plan. Martha Raddatz just called him on it. The reason he can’t give more details is because the plan doesn’t make mathematical sense. Their plan to reduce rates across the board by 20 percent, and pay for it by cutting deductions, would force tax increases taxes on 95 percent of the population, while those making more than $200,000 would see a net tax cut.
9:51 pm
Ryan avoids the question of who will pay more taxes
Because Romney’s tax plan is projected to raise taxes on middle class families by at least $2,000.
9:48 pm
Romney would pay .82 percent in taxes under Ryan's plan
Ryan’s tax plan in the House of Representatives would have gotten rid of capital gains, dividend, and interest taxes — meaning that Mitt Romney’s tax rate under Ryan’s plan would be .82 percent.
9:44 pm
90 percent of seniors are satisfied with Medicare
Biden pointed out that, contrary to Ryan’s assertions, the majority of seniors are satisfied with their Medicare coverage. He’s right. A full 90 percent of seniors report that they are satisfied with their coverage under Medicare Part D.
9:44 pm
The Romney/Ryan plan does turn Medicare into a voucher program
Although the Romney/Ryan campaign has shied away from calling their Medicare plan a “voucher” plan favor of the euphemistic “premium support,” that is exactly what their plan is — turning Medicare from a defined benefit into a defined contribution program. Ryan has even specifically called his plan a voucher program himself.
9:40 pm
Was Romney really a bipartisan governor?
Ryan claims Romney frequently reached across the aisle to Democrats as governor. Not really, says the New York Times: “But on closer examination, the record as governor he alluded to looks considerably less burnished than Mr. Romney suggested. Bipartisanship was in short supply; Statehouse Democrats complained he variously ignored, insulted or opposed them, with intermittent charm offensives. He vetoed scores of legislative initiatives and excised budget line items a remarkable 844 times, according to the nonpartisan research group Factcheck.org. Lawmakers reciprocated by quickly overriding the vast bulk of them.”
9:38 pm
Ryan advocated for privatizing Social Security
Don’t let Ryan’s apparent concern for seniors confuse you. Ryan has advocated for privatizing Social Security. If that had happened when Ryan pushed for it in 2008, people with private accounts would have fared significantly worse during the financial crisis, likely losing an average of $26,000 and having a negative real rate of return of -0.6 percent.
9:37 pm
Ryan touted Sen. Wyden's supposed support, but Wyden rejected his budget
Wyden not only voted against Ryan’s budget, he also called the idea that he supported it “nonsense.”
9:36 pm
Ryan’s attack on Obama’s Medicare plan is highly misleading
Ryan says President Obama “funneled” $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for the Affordable Care Act, ignoring the fact that his own budget makes the exact same cuts to the program. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says the cuts Obama wants to make do not come at the expense of Medicare beneficiaries — as Ryan claims — but rather, from hospitals and health care providers in the name of cutting down on waste and increasing efficiency. In addition, the CBO also estimates the cuts will extend Medicare’s solvency by eight years. Fact checkers said Ryan’s Medicare statements are “mostly false.”
9:35 pm
Conservatives praise VP Biden's calling out Ryan on stimulus funds
#debatesVery effective attack on the debt by Biden.Good job on economy and on hitting green job theft
— Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) October 12, 2012
Pretty good attack from Biden on Ryan requesting stimulus #vpdebate
— Paul Conner (@paconner) October 12, 2012
To be 100 percent fair and accurate, Biden is winning this debate right now. #VPDebate
— Matthew Boyle (@mboyle1) October 12, 2012
9:35 pm
Here is why the stimulus was not 'green pork,' as Ryan claimed
Biden interrupts Ryan’s outright misportrayal of the $90 billion loans to energy companies, calling it “green pork.” Multiple reviews, including an independent review of all Department Of Energy loan programs by Herb Allison – finance chair for McCain for President 2008 –found no wrongdoing and these loans were not steered to friends or family, as Ryan claims.
9:35 pm
IPAB can’t ration care, and Ryan proposed a similar board in 2009
The Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, is not the “death panel” Ryan makes it out to be. In actuality, the board makes recommendations for how to cut health care spending that Congress has the ability to accept or reject. The board cannot ration care or raise revenues and — despite Ryan’s recent opposition — he actually proposed two very similar boards in 2009. Here’s a comparison between Ryan’s plans, which are in some ways more intrusive than the IPAB:
| PCA | ACA | |
| Board Structure | Commission–5 members appointed by the President subject to Senate approval. No commissioner may engage in any other business, vocation, or employment; Forum–15 members chosen by the Commission | 15 members appointed by the President subject to Senate approval. No member may engage in any other business, vocation, or employment. |
| Operative Element | “The development and periodic review and updating of standards of quality, performance measures, and medical review criteria” | Offer recommendations as to how to cut back on Medicare spending costs |
| Scope of Authority | Entire health-care system; commissioners will select specific targets. | Medicare |
| Recommendation Frequency | Recommendations must be made once a year | Recommendations are only made when the Medicare’s per capita expense exceeds its growth targets |
| Source of Enforcement Authority | Commission works directly with the Secretary of Health and Human Services without congressional oversight. | IPAB’s recommendations must be approved by Congress. |
| Guideline enforcement | Exclude providers from federal health care programs or impose civil fines | Impose cuts in health providers’ reimbursement benefits |
9:35 pm
Ryan distorts administration's record on China
Paul Ryan’s claims that the Obama administration has been weak on China is just not true. During his first term, President Obama has imposed a 35 percent tariff on Chinese tire manufactures to save jobs in states like Ohio, filed seven complaints against China with the World Trade Organization and just last week blocked a Chinese company from purchasing a wind farm near a military base in Oregon.
9:34 pm
Ryan supported stimulus when Bush was in office
While we’re still on the topic of stimulus, it’s worth noting that Ryan hasn’t always opposed such measures. Here’s video of him advocating for it in 2002, during the Bush administration. In it, Ryan argues government spending creates jobs.
9:34 pm
Ryan opposed the stimulus, then requested funds from it
Biden just referenced Ryan’s stimulus letters. Here they are. Though he called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act “a failure,” Paul Ryan took full advantage of it and requested money for an energy company in his district. He wrote at least five letters to Secretary of Energy Steven Chu expressing his support for grant applicants from his district and asking that they be given “prompt and full consideration.” Ryan claims he did not know about the letters until recently, though his name is signed at the bottom of each one. Watch his defense:
9:33 pm
Congressional Budget Office says stimulus worked
Ryan is attacking the stimulus as a failed policy, but the stimulus worked. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says it added as many as 3.3 million jobs to the economy and boosted GDP growth 0.1 percent, yet Ryan opposed it — even though he still requested funds for his district.
9:32 pm
Right-wing accuses Biden of being 'mean'
Biden doing best imitation of Al Gore 00. Snickers, grimaces, and exaggerated gestures. #debate
— Karl Rove (@KarlRove) October 12, 2012
This is all planned. Joe is trying to overwhelmg Ryan with mean and bullying. It won’t work #VPDebate
— David Limbaugh (@DavidLimbaugh) October 12, 2012
9:31 pm
Ryan: Romney didn't want to let Detroit go bankrupt because he's a 'car guy'
Romney wrote an op/ed for the New York Times in 2008 called “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.”
9:29 pm
How the auto industry turned around
Biden touted the federal rescue of the auto industry. Auto sales are at a four-year high and the auto industry is adding jobs again:
9:28 pm
Unemployment is lower than when Obama took office
Biden is right, and Ryan is wrong, about “how it’s going everywhere.” In August, the unemployment rate dropped from a year before in 325 of 372 metro areas surveyed by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
9:27 pm
The tax pledge
Paul Ryan did sign a pledge saying he wouldn’t raise taxes, at all. That pledge will actually lead to higher deficits.
9:27 pm
Biden mentions Romney's 47 percent remarks
Biden hits Ryan on Romney’s denigration of 47 percent of Americans, whom he said would never “take personal responsibility.” Watch it:
9:25 pm
Not at 6 percent, but on the upswing
Raddatz asks if Biden or Ryan can get unemployment below six percent. We’re not there yet, but just last month, the Obama administration celebrated a net gain in the number of jobs since the President took office. That’s after the worst recession since the great depression.
9:24 pm
We don't know Iran is going for a bomb, contra Ryan
Ryan suggests he knows that Iran’s leaders have decided to go for a nuclear bomb. Israeli and American intelligence officials aren’t so sure.
9:22 pm
Ryan dodges question on effectiveness of Iran attack
Martha Raddatz asked Ryan if a military attack on Iran would be effective. But he did not answer. A bipartisan expert group recently released a report saying that an attack would only delay Iran’s nuclear program by up to 4 years. If the objective is “ensuring that Iran never acquires a nuclear bomb,” the U.S. “would need to conduct a significantly expanded air and sea war over a prolonged period of time, likely several years.” Former and current Israeli and American have also said that an attack would give Iran incentive to weaponize its nuclear program and spark a regional war.
9:22 pm
Biden is right: Iran's economy is collapsing
According to ABC News, pressure created by international sanctions has led to mass protests: “A strict round of new measures made it more difficult for Iran to conduct foreign trade and international banking, including its economically critical sales of oil. Think tank Oxford Analytica estimates Iran has lost a quarter of its oil revenue as a result. With the sinking rial [Iranian currency] the cost of food and everyday items in Iran has soared, leading to public frustration that today appeared to bubble over.”
9:21 pm
Biden laughs off Ryan's Iran charges
“Oh God,” Biden exclaimed, as Ryan tried to argue that the Obama administration opposed imposing sanctions on Iran.
9:19 pm
Obama has been out front supporting Israel
The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, “President Obama is doing . . . more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].”
9:17 pm
Ryan’s adviser called for Congress to authorize war with Iran
Ryan’s foreign policy adviser wrote an op-ed where he argued that the only way for the Obama administration to show it is serious on Iran is to have Congress vote to go to war with the country.
9:16 pm
Obama did push for sanctions on Iran
In reality, the Israeli President has effusively praised President Obama’s leadership on getting American and international sanctions on Iran, which have significantly slowed Iran’s progress.
9:15 pm
Ryan say we should apologize when America errs -- contradicting Romney
Paul Ryan agreed that it is absolutely appropriate to apologize when American soldiers burn qurans and behave inappropriately. Mitt Romney said on September 25 that he would “never apologize for America.”
9:12 pm
Intelligence experts back up Biden on Libya
Biden’s claim that intelligence on Libya shifted matches with what experts say about the difficult nature of gathering intelligence — former CIA analyst Aki Peritz said “[b]laming the president for not having instantaneous and perfect information is a ridiculous political stunt.”
9:11 pm
Biden: Ryan voted to cut embassy security
Biden is talking about the House Republican vote that cut $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. Earlier this week, Rep. Chaffetz admitted House Republicans “absolutely” voted for the cuts.
9:10 pm
Ryan blames Obama for military spending cuts he voted for
Obama is not making massive to the military. Sequestration — which Ryan voted for — calls for $492 billion in military budget cuts. The reductions would only bring the military budget back to its 2006 levels.
9:10 pm
Fact-checkers find 'Obama apologizes for America' claim false
Fact-checkers have long known that Mitt Romney’s claims that President Obama has been apologizing for America is false. Politifact has rated the claim Pants on Fire and FactCheck.org has said that they “found no basis for this claim”.
9:08 pm
Romney's first reaction to Libya: accuse Obama of sympathizing with terrorists
The Romney/Ryan response to Ambassador Stevens’ killing was to claim the Administration sympathized with the terrorists. Though this false charge was widely condemned by GOP and nonpartisan experts, the campaign doubled down on it.
9:07 pm
Ryan falsely claims Obama campaign said Romney is making Libya attack 'an issue'
Ryan said the Obama campaign is “trying to blame the Romney/Ryan ticket for making this an issue,” referring to the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi. This claim is false. The Obama campaign blamed the Romney campaign for making the LIbya attack a “political issue,” not a policy issue.
9:06 pm
6 minutes in
Ryan wastes no time in politicizing the Libya attacks, hitting Obama for not characterizing the violence as a “terrorist attack.” Obama used the word “terrorism” the very next day.
9:05 pm
Biden: 'With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey'
Biden calls Ryan out over his claim that Obama’s military “weakness” led to the attack on the US consulate in Libya, a false line that Romney has repeated often.
9:05 pm
First question: Wasn't Libya a massive failure?
Biden is defending the administration’s handling of the Libya incident, noting that the tragedy will be fully investigated and individuals will be held responsible if mistakes were made.
8:57 pm
If the stage looks familiar...
It’s because Vice President Dick Cheney debated Joe Lieberman from this very location in 2000.
8:47 pm
Debate prep
Biden and Ryan have held numerous practice sessions, ahead of tonight’s debate. And even the moderator did a run-through:
8:46 pm
Debate eats
The Biden family is eating grilled chicken, spaghetti, and salad for dinner. Biden is snacking on “M&Ms, animal crackers, as well as lots of Gatorade, coffee and tea.” Ryan “spent the early part of Thursday with his family, studying his policy binders and exercising. He ate a tuna salad sandwich for lunch and will eat salmon with rice for dinner, an aide said.”
8:45 pm
Ryan will be called 'mister' not 'congressman'
Debate moderator Martha Raddatz will reportedly refer to Ryan as “mister” instead of “congressman” in the debate. That might have something to do with the fact that Congress’ approval rating stands at 10 percent — an all time low.
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