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Clinton and Webb

From Hillary Clinton’s office:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today announced that she is co-sponsoring legislation introduced by Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) that prohibits the use of funds for military operations against Iran without explicit Congressional authorization (S. 759).

The political instincts that led her to vote for Lieberman-Kyle remain troubling, but this is obviously a big step forward.

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Polling on Iraq

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Ed Kilgore surveys a recent Washington Post/ABC poll with hard to interpret results and concludes:

Pollsters need to figure out ways to (a) test the Iraq issues actually facing Congress; (b) include in questions a few basic facts about troop withdrawals (i.e., that Bush is only talking about withdrawing “surged” troops) and funding levels (i.e., how much money buys what strategy); and (c) test some dynamic scenarios involding actions by Congress and reactions by Bush (i.e., a protracted funding fight).

Until that happens, new polls on Iraq will provide grist for spin, but not for any honest assessment of where the public is at present.

I don’t think that’s really right. Sometimes your measurements don’t produce clear results because the measurement method isn’t clear enough. Other times, though, they don’t produce clear results because there’s nothing to see clearly. Oftentimes in politics, I think politicians would like to believe that there’s an extremely clear-cut median voter view about some difficult issue, because then they can all go adopt that view, and come what may they’ll say they were doing what they had to do because of public opinion. But realistically if the public’s answers to ABC’s questions about Iraq are incoherent, that’s probably because the key “swing” group of people actually has fuzzy, somewhat incoherent thoughts about Iraq.

Under the circumstances, what politicians ought to do is:

  1. Figure out what they think is the correct Iraq policy.
  2. Figure out what they think is the most persuasive way to sell that policy to the public.
  3. Pray it works.

At the end of the day, I think a lot of politicians actually underrate the considerable virtue of adopting a position that’s correct on the merits. If you think the merits through, then you’ll have a principled basis for answering a variety of different questions and responding to different sorts of attacks. And, of course, the election happens over a year from now so if you say something that’s correct, and time proves you correct, then you’ll look prescient and be able to say you took a bold stance and have the courage to lead. Polling data’s nice when there’s clear and convincing evidence of firm public conviction about something, but I just don’t see that on Iraq. The search for better polling mostly seems like an effort to evade the substantive responsibilities of political office.

US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Dallas

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Worse

It bears mentioning that things seem to have gone entirely to hell in Burma, with reports now coming out that the death toll in the crackdown has been higher than it initially appeared.

Reid On Senate Floor: Republicans Who Criticized MoveOn Must Condemn Rush ‘With Equal Fervor’

Last week, right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh declared that soldiers who support American withdrawal from Iraq are “phony soldiers.”

Today, Majority Leader Harry Reid gave a seven-minute speech on the floor of the Senate condemning Limbaugh and calling on his colleagues — both Democratic and Republican — to sign a letter of disapproval to the CEO of Clear Channel. He said that Limbaugh, whose show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, “owes the men and women of our Armed Forces an apology” for his comments that “went way over the line.”

Reid also hit the hypocrisy of his conservative colleagues. Last week, 72 senators voted for the highly politicized, “bait and switch” resolution that condemned a newspaper ad by MoveOn.org. Yet most of those lawmakers have been silent on Limbaugh’s comments. From Reid’s statement:

If we take the Republican side at their word that last week’s vote on another controversial statement related to the war was truly about patriotism, not politics, then I have no doubt that they will stand with us against Limbaugh’s comments with equal fervor.

I am confident we will see Republicans join with us in overwhelming numbers. Anything less would betray a double standard that has no place in the United States Senate.

Watch it:

[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/reidlimbaughletter.320.240.flv]

Today, Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) plans to introduce a resolution condemning Limbaugh’s remarks.

Digg It!

Transcript: Read more

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Whose Jews? Which Empowerment?

Okay, I can’t resist. Here’s a novel thought I had on the issue inspired by Jeffrey Goldberg’s piece on Walt and Mearsheimer. According to Goldberg, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy “represents the most sustained attack, the most mainstream attack, against the political enfranchisement of American Jews since the era of Father Coughlin.”

This is an interesting rhetorical move. Rather than defending specific policies, or the policy views of specific groups and individuals, Goldberg has positioned himself as the defender of “the political enfranchisement of American Jews” as such, thus capturing the high ground in, among other things, the intra-Jewish debate about Israel and American foreign policy. Lots of Jewish relatives of mine who probably wouldn’t approve of AIPAC’s efforts to remove legislative language constraining George W. Bush from attacking Iran certainly do approve of “the political enfranchisement of American Jews” so if we shift the debate to that issue, Goldberg wins.

The trouble, of course, is that Goldberg has no particular interest in the political enfranchisement of American Jews as such. He’s not talking about empowering Matt Yglesias and Ezra Klein and Eric Alterman and Harold Meyerson and Josh Marshall and MJ Rosenberg and Daniel Levy. He’s talking about empowering Jeffrey Goldberg and Alan Dershowitz and Martin Peretz and Charles Krauthammer. Which is fine. Obviously, you’d expect Goldberg to want to see people who agree with him empowered vis-à-vis those who disagree with him, but this has nothing to do with empowering “the Jews” and everything to do with empowering some Jews whose ideas have not, over the years, served the United States or Israel very well.

Podhoretz: ‘I Believe Bush Is Going To Order Airstrikes On Iran Before He Leaves Office’

Norman Podhoretz, widely reputed as the “godfather” of neoconservatism, has released a new book entitled World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofacism, a strident call for continuing the Bush strategy of preemptive wars.

Podhoretz, who was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bush in 2004, met privately with the President for 45 minutes recently. During the course of the meeting, Bush listened diligently as Podhoretz laid out the “the case for bombing Iran.” Podhoretz seems to have come away convinced that he made the case.

In a C-Span interview that aired this weekend, Podhoretz states his fervent belief that Bush will attack Iran before he leaves office:

I believe President Bush is going to order airstrikes [on Iran] before he leaves office. Because he has several times said — at least twice to my knowledge — that if we allow Iranians to acquire nuclear capabilities, 50 years from now, people will look back at us the way we look back at Munich and say ‘how could they have let this happen?’

Watch it:

[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/10/npod.320.240.flv]

Podhoretz is echoing a view that has been sounded by many conservative voices close to President Bush:

Richard Perle: “Would this president do it? I think that until the day he leaves office, this is a president that, if he is told, ‘Mr. President, you are at the point of no return,’ I have very little doubt that this president would order the necessary military action.” [Link]

A well-placed source in Washington said: “Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo.” [Link]

Bill Kristol: “We could be in a military confrontation with Iran much sooner than people expect.” [Link]

Podhoretz has said he “prays” we will bomb Iran, despite also acknowledging that it could “unleash a wave of anti-Americanism all over the world that will make the anti-Americanism we’ve experienced so far look like a lovefest.”

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If Wishes Were Ponies…

… then Oliver Willis and Nick Beaudrot would be right that “[m]ilitary strikes against against Iran would quite clearly be an act of war; without Congressional authorization it would pribma facie be an impeachable offense.” In the real world, though, I didn’t see Bill Clinton getting impeached for bombing Serbia without congressional authorization even by a congress that was eager to impeach Bill Clinton so I wouldn’t get my hopes up on that one.

Congress’ de facto war powers have been reduced to the need to get congressional approval for war-related spending. What we just saw with Iraq, though, is that according to the media, if Democrats vote for a funded withdrawal of troops, and then Bush vetoes those funds and demands that Democrats give him a blank check, then it would be a failure to “support the troops” for Democrats to refuse to cave to this demand. We’ve also seen that many — if not most — congressional Democrats accept this framing. So if Bush decides he wants to bomb Iran, nobody in congress is going to stop him. Dana Priest, though, speaks for surprisingly many journalist when she says:

Frankly, I think the military would revolt and there would be no pilots to fly those missions. This is a little bit of hyperbole, but not much. Just look at what Gen. Casey, the Army chief, said yesterday. That the tempo of operations in Iraq would make it very hard for the military to respond to a major crisis elsewhere. Beside, it’s not the “war” or “bombing” part that’s difficult; it’s the morning after and all the days after that. Haven’t we learned that (again) from Iraq?

To me, though, it’s important to avoid overstating the degree of military opposition to a bomb Iran policy. As best I can tell, the Army is dead-set against it. But the Army wouldn’t be carrying the mission out anyway. It’d be shocking for the Air Force to suddenly come to appreciate the strategic limits of air power. In their minds, bombing Iran won’t compound the error of Iraq; rather, it’ll show the manifest benefits of doing things their way rather than getting bogged-down into an Army-style quagmire.

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Revising Revisionism

Rick Perlstein takes a look at some of the revisionist literature on Vietnam and comes away — unsurprisingly — unimpressed. For more on this general subject, and in particular the malign influence the right’s Vietnam revisionism has exercised, see Spencer Ackerman’s piece on the other Vietnam syndrome, one of the last things he did for TNR.

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