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Arabs And Americans Agree On Need For Withdrawal

Our guest blogger is Peter Juul, a national security consultant at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

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Two new polls released in the last week show that neither the American public nor various Arab publics buy one of the central contentions for staying indefinitely in Iraq – that leaving will make things orders of magnitude worse than staying.

A poll of the Arab world conducted by Shibley Telhami and the University of Maryland shows that contrary to the pessimistic predictions of war supporters here in the United States, the people of the Middle East don’t think a U.S. withdrawal will have the dire consequences war supporters predict.

61 percent of all Arabs surveyed say that “Iraqis will find a way to bridge their differences” in the aftermath of U.S. withdrawal

Only 15 percent who say that “civil war will expand rapidly” and 17 percent who say things will stay the same.

88 percent of Jordanians and 66 percent of Saudis believe Iraqis will find a way to settle their differences after a U.S. withdrawal, while only 42 percent in the UAE and 45 percent in Morocco feel similarly.

Moreover, Arabs’ greatest concern (59 percent) for fallout from the war is that “Iraq will remain stable and spread instability in the region.” Coupled with perceptions of the likelihood of reconciliation following a U.S. withdrawal, it appears that most Arabs view a continued U.S. presence in Iraq as a destabilizing factor. However, as Matt Yglesias notes, this rosy perception of U.S. withdrawal may be driven by deep distrust of American motives more than anything else.

Nevertheless, it is striking how Arab and American public opinion have converged. An ABC News/Washington Post poll released just today shows that Americans have by and large rejected the administration and its supporters’ rationales for open-ended military involvement in Iraq:

– Despite the recent security gains of the last half-year or so, 57 percent of Americans believe the United States “is not making significant progress toward restoring civil order in Iraq” – up from 51 percent at the beginning of March.

56 percent say the United States “should withdraw its military forces from Iraq to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if it means that civil order is not restored there.”

Finally, Americans don’t believe that Iraq is the “central front in the war on terror,” as President Bush and Sen. John McCain have repeatedly claimed. 61 percent of Americans say that “the war on terrorism can be a success without the United States winning the war in Iraq” – up seven points from the time of General Petraeus’ September 2007 testimony.

The results of these polls should give the lie to the claims of pundits and war supporters that the American public wants to stick it out in Iraq until we “win,” and that withdrawal necessarily leads to the worst-case scenario. Neither the American public nor Iraq’s neighbors see it that way.

Yglesias

Knowing Which Way The Wind Blows

Ah, the downward spiral:

On the Clinton conference call this morning, Howard Wolfson–under rather aggressive questioning from Mother Jones’ David Corn–said he didn’t know how Hillary felt about her husbands pardons of two former Weathermen. But he drew a distinction by pointing out that no Weathermen ever held fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.

Wolfson’s got a distinction drawn, alright, but doesn’t it cut the other way — I’d much rather vote for a politician who received favors from a bad person than a politician who’s given favors to a bad person. This whole subject is, however, essentially BS when flying in either direction.

Former Rumsfeld/Wolfwowitz Deputy: Iraq War Is A ‘Major Debacle,’ ‘Classic Case Of Failure’

warope.gif The National Defense University is an elite military institute funded by the Department of Defense. Both President Dwight Eisenhower and Gen. Colin Powell studied there, and diplomat and historian George Kennan — best known as “the father of containment” — taught at the university.

Given the institution’s ties to the Defense Department, it’s therefore significant that it has chosen to publish a withering critique of the Iraq war written by Joseph J. Collins, a former senior Pentagon official who served under Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz during the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Collins’s conclusions were based, in part, “on interviews with other former senior defense and intelligence officials who played roles in prewar preparations,” and were completed in fall 2007. From his study:

Measured in blood and treasure, the war in Iraq has achieved the status of a major war and a major debacle. [...]

The war’s political impact also has been great. Globally, U.S. standing among friends and allies has fallen. Our status as a moral leader has been damaged by the war, the subsequent occupation of a Muslim nation, and various issues concerning the treatment of detainees. [...]

To date, the war in Iraq is a classic case of failure to adopt and adapt prudent courses of action that balance ends, ways, and means. After the major combat operation, U.S. policy has been insolvent, with inadequate means for pursuing ambitious ends. It is also a case where the perceived illegitimacy of our policy has led the United States to bear a disproportionate share of the war’s burden.

Collins also notes that “senior national security officials exhibited in many instances an imperious attitude, exerting power and pressure where diplomacy and bargaining might have had a better effect.” He insists, however, that he is not trying to lay blame on his former bosses.

Yglesias

What Do We Talk About?

Ken Silverstein kindly mentions my book over at Harper’s in the course of disagreeing with me about the merits of U.S. diplomatic outreach to Hamas in the absence of Israeli willingness to talk with the Hamas leadership. He writes:

Why would the United States government allow Israel to determine to whom it talks? The only way to reach a political settlement in the Middle East is for an American president to pressure Israel to make concessions. It’s hard to exert much pressure if our government allows Israel to determine who speaks for the Palestinians.

I don’t think our substantive positions are very far apart here. It seems to me that Israel needs to try to talk with the Hamas leadership (the idea that this would give them “credibility,” much-mooted in the hawkish press, strikes me as bizarre — as if the Arab public finds people more credible the more closely associated with Israel they are) and that the U.S. government ought to pressure Israel to do so. But it’s a little hard for me to see what we could talk to Hamas about in the absence of Israeli participation — the U.S. can and should play a constructive role in trying to resolve the conflict, but talks on the Israeli-Arab conflict need Israeli participation.

A later Silverstein post notes that Israel and Hamas are almost certainly already talking through backchannels. Which is good. The United States can and should participate in whatever’s happening in that regard and try to lay the groundwork (including by pressuring Israel insofar as that’s necessary) for all the stakeholders to start meeting against and talking resolution.

Yglesias

If It Was Good Enough for Khruschev

Smells like success: “Trying to stem the infiltration of militia fighters, American forces have begun to build a massive concrete wall that will partition Sadr City, the densely populated Shiite neighborhood in the Iraqi capital.” Whatever happened to destroying the village in order to save it?

Yglesias

I Shot the Nonproliferation Regime

Charles Krauthammer says non-proliferation is dead because the multilateral non-proliferation process has failed in Iran and North Korea. One problem with this is that though North Korea is hanging by a thread and we’re arguably in the neighborhood of failure in Iran, we haven’t quite definitively failed yet. The other problem is that, as Robert Farley points out, the reason we’ve had problems in Iran and North Korea is that the Bush administration, on the recommendation of the Krauthammers of the world, “decided to reject any and all multilateral efforts at nonproliferation in favor of… well, it’s not even clear that what the US tried can be referred to as a coherent strategy.”

The logical response isn’t to get more invested in the kind of unilateralism and doomed bigs for hegemony that got us into this mess. Rather, everyone needs to first read Heads in the Sand and second return to the kind of internationalism that was working pretty well as non-proliferation policy before Bush came along.

Yglesias

After War

Nothing succeeds like success: “Nearly 20 percent of military service members who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan — 300,000 in all — report symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder or major depression, yet only slight more than half have sought treatment, according to a new RAND Corporation study.”

I say we support the troops by continuing the war indefinitely.

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