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Neocons Can’t Stop Spinning

gabriel.jpgIn a column in this morning’s LA Times, Commentary magazine essayist Gabriel Schoenfeld (who we last saw here, misunderstanding Al Qaeda’s use of media), attacks widely respected arms control expert Joe Cirincione for Cirincione’s skepticism of a Syrian nuclear weapons threat. Schoenfeld writes:

Interviewed by Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker after the [September 2007] Israeli raid, Cirincione was emphatic: “Syria does not have the technical, industrial or financial ability to support a nuclear weapons program. I’ve been following this issue for 15 years, and every once in awhile a suspicion arises and we investigate and there’s nothing. There was and is no nuclear weapons threat from Syria.” [...]

Cirincione has admitted that he got it wrong, explaining that the evidence “seems strong” that Syria was building a reactor and that no one can bat 1,000.

The way Schoenfeld writes it, you’d be forgiven for thinking that there actually was a nuclear weapons threat from Syria. And, of course, that’s the point. This is the sort of alarmism in which Schoenfeld regularly trafficks. But the thing is, Joe Cirincione is right: There was and is no nuclear weapons threat from Syria. In late April, the Bush administration revealed intelligence indicating that Syria was “within weeks or months” of completing a nuclear reactor. And a nuclear reactor is not a nuclear weapon. The Washington Post’s William Arkin pointed out that “Even if Syria managed to complete a plutonium production reactor, and then managed to operate it for the months would be needed to manufacture the materials it needed, and then managed to machine that plutonium, and then design and fabricate a nuclear weapon, many months if not years would go by. Such a program would be detected, proven and probably thwarted by the international community.”

A new report from the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies was also “dismissive of Syria’s nuclear prospects, [and] said it made little sense for the country to secretly build nukes when it already had an arsenal of chemical weapons.”

This is not to downplay the threat of nuclear proliferation. But those interested in dealing seriously and productively with the problem (as opposed to, ahem, laying the groundwork for a war with Iran) should understand that the record of the Bush administration on proliferation has been, like the rest of Bush’s foreign policy, disastrous. As Joe Cirincione himself wrote in May 2006:

The [Bush] administration’s counter-proliferation strategy has made these [nuclear] dangers grow, not shrink. Proliferation problems over the past five years have gotten worse, not better. Most of the construction and development of Iran’s nuclear program has occurred since 2000. The same is true in North Korea. In the past three years, while we have been bogged down in Iraq, North Korea has pulled out of the agreement that had frozen its plutonium program, gone from enough material for perhaps two bombs to an estimated ten bombs worth, withdrawn from the Non-Proliferation Treaty and declared itself a nuclear-weapon state. U.S. policy has completely failed to stop either country’s efforts.

The unfortunate reality is that the sort of complicated diplomatic work involved in protecting America from loose nukes is generally irrelevant to conservatives’ conception of national security, which is more about identifying new enemies, and then bombing them, and later, attacking liberals for having been right about what a stupid plan that was.

While it’s gratifying to see some of our conservative friends develop, at long last, an interest in accuracy, if Gabe Schoenfeld is truly interested in sounding the alarm on experts who have been proven repeatedly and monumentally wrong, he could probably start with his fellow Commentarian Max Boot, who — after warning of Saddam Hussein’s “top-of-the-line weapons of mass destruction” — has been declaring victory in Iraq since December 2003. Then Schoenfeld can stop by Norman Podhoretz’s office and see if Norm’s figured out what a Kurd is. Then Schoenfeld can move on to the various experts employed by the network of conservative think tanks, magazines, and vanity publications — many of whom, like Boot, now work as advisers to John McCain’s presidential campaign — whose countless distortions and deceptions helped to get the United States into Iraq, and now endeavor to keep us there.

But that’s only if Schoenfeld is genuinely interested in accuracy, and not just talking trash.

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McCain and Veterans

It’s worth noting that not only did John McCain oppose Jim Webb’s bill expanding educational benefits for veterans, but he has a long track record of fairly stingy behavior on veterans’ issues. As Hilzoy puts it “McCain has supported basic appropriations for vets. However, when there are two competing proposals, he generally chooses the cheaper one, and often, when only one proposal to increase benefits is available, he opposes it.”

One sort of wonders why this is. McCain’s clearly not some kind of dogmatic libertarian, and he certainly seems to have a great deal of emotional attachment to the military. I believe the particular military family in which he grew up was a bit idiosyncratic in actually being composed of life-long military officers rather than veterans (Webb, by contrast, is also from a military family and is clearly very influenced by his military background but after graduating from the academy put his time in then took advantage of veterans’ benefits to move on to other things) as such. Or maybe he just takes very seriously the idea that we can’t make the benefits too generous lest it undermine our ability to endlessly prolong the war in Iraq.

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War: It’s a Real Issue!

Via Neil Sinhababu, Rep. Tom Davis (R)’s twenty page strategy memo for Republicans observes that the Iraq War is “the ultimate cultural issue, fueling and giving oxygen to the cultural left, as well as planting doubts in many swing voters’ minds about the direction of the country.”

Of course it’s also an actual war in which over 100,000 Americans are risking their lives, in which tens of thousands of Americans have been wounded, millions of Iraqis displaced, many people killed, hundreds of billions spent, etc., etc., etc. But maybe that goes without saying?

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Obama on Latin America

There’s a tendency, given the urgency of the moment, to treat “foreign policy” as equivalent to “Iraq” for political purposes but of course it’s a whole much broader subject than that. The world’s a big place, and nobody can say what’s really going to look important in 2011, so it’s always good to look at people’s ideas about other subjects. In that vein, I liked Barack Obama’s Latin America speech a lot:

No wonder, then, that demagogues like Hugo Chavez have stepped into this vacuum. His predictable yet perilous mix of anti-American rhetoric, authoritarian government, and checkbook diplomacy offers the same false promise as the tried and failed ideologies of the past. But the United States is so alienated from the rest of the Americas that this stale vision has gone unchallenged, and has even made inroads from Bolivia to Nicaragua. And Chavez and his allies are not the only ones filling the vacuum. While the United States fails to address the changing realities in the Americas, others from Europe and Asia – notably China – have stepped up their own engagement. Iran has drawn closer to Venezuela, and just the other day Tehran and Caracas launched a joint bank with their windfall oil profits.

That is the record – the Bush record in Latin America – that John McCain has chosen to embrace. Senator McCain doesn’t talk about these trends in our hemisphere because he knows that it’s part of the broader Bush-McCain failure to address priorities beyond Iraq. The situation has changed in the Americas, but we’ve failed to change with it. Instead of engaging the people of the region, we’ve acted as if we can still dictate terms unilaterally. We have not offered a clear and comprehensive vision, backed up with strong diplomacy. We are failing to join the battle for hearts and minds. For far too long, Washington has engaged in outdated debates and stuck to tired blueprints on drugs and trade, on democracy and development — even though they won’t meet the tests of the future.

When you think about the tension in U.S. foreign policy between the internationalist strand and the imperialist strand, Latin America — the part of the world we encountered before the rise of liberalism — has always been a locus of imperialist thinking. As Greg Grandin fairly persuasively argues, one way of understanding the Bush foreign policy is that he’s taken ideas and techniques developed in America’s (mis)treatment of our near abroad and gone global with them. Obama wants to do the reverse, and bring the internationalist spirit of respectful engagement and cooperation to the Western Hemisphere:

No wonder, then, that demagogues like Hugo Chavez have stepped into this vacuum. His predictable yet perilous mix of anti-American rhetoric, authoritarian government, and checkbook diplomacy offers the same false promise as the tried and failed ideologies of the past. But the United States is so alienated from the rest of the Americas that this stale vision has gone unchallenged, and has even made inroads from Bolivia to Nicaragua. And Chavez and his allies are not the only ones filling the vacuum. While the United States fails to address the changing realities in the Americas, others from Europe and Asia – notably China – have stepped up their own engagement. Iran has drawn closer to Venezuela, and just the other day Tehran and Caracas launched a joint bank with their windfall oil profits.

That is the record – the Bush record in Latin America – that John McCain has chosen to embrace. Senator McCain doesn’t talk about these trends in our hemisphere because he knows that it’s part of the broader Bush-McCain failure to address priorities beyond Iraq. The situation has changed in the Americas, but we’ve failed to change with it. Instead of engaging the people of the region, we’ve acted as if we can still dictate terms unilaterally. We have not offered a clear and comprehensive vision, backed up with strong diplomacy. We are failing to join the battle for hearts and minds. For far too long, Washington has engaged in outdated debates and stuck to tired blueprints on drugs and trade, on democracy and development — even though they won’t meet the tests of the future.

I think this is the correct way of making the Bush-McCain linkages. A lot of people chafe at the idea that Bush and McCain are “the same” since the animosity between them is well known and insofar as one can tell about these things (not so far, in my view, but nevertheless…) they seem to have rather different characters. But across very large swathes of the issue landscape, they have the same policies with Bush having adopted some of John McCain’s 2000-vintage ideas and McCain having adopted some of Bush’s ideas, leaving us with few areas in which McCain even says he wants to change Bush’s policies.

Biden: ‘This Is The Worst Administration In American Foreign Policy In Modern History, Maybe Ever’

Earlier this week, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed blasting the Democratic party — the “party of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy” — for no longer being “unhesitatingly and proudly pro-American.” He wrote that Democrats “should embrace the basic framework the president had advanced for the war on terror as our own.”

Today, Sen. Joe Biden (D-RI) appeared on various morning talk shows and sharply criticized the notion that progressives are weak on national security. On MSNBC he responded to Lieberman, stating, “[C]an you imagine Franklin Roosevelt, can you imagine President Truman, can you imagine President Kennedy conducting the kind of policy this outfit has?” From the exchange:

This administration is the worst administration in American foreign policy in modern history, maybe ever. The idea that they are competent to continue to conduct our foreign policy, to make us more secure and make Israel secure, is preposterous.

Ever since they got in office the only thing on the march in the Middle East has not been freedom, it’s been Iran. Every single thing they’ve touched has been a near disaster.

Watch it:

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Biden also responded to Lieberman in a Wall Street Journal op-ed today, where he added that the right wing’s national security policies actually betray doubt about U.S. capabilities:

The worst nightmare for a regime that thrives on tension with America is an America ready, willing and able to engage. Since when has talking removed the word “no” from our vocabulary?

It’s amazing how little faith George Bush, Joe Lieberman and John McCain have in themselves – and in America.

In his interview on NBC’s Today Show, Biden acknowledged that some members of the Democratic party are strongly anti-war, but added, “20 percent of the Republican Party is probably ready to go to war on any circumstance.”

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Deep Breaths

Charles Krauthammer huffs and puffs an awful lot before raising a real question about proposed negotiations with Iran:

What concessions does Obama imagine Ahmadinejad will make to him on Iran’s nuclear program? And what new concessions will Obama offer? To abandon Lebanon? To recognize Hamas? Or perhaps to squeeze Israel?

Unlike all the other words in this column, this makes sense, except for the part where Krauthammer does that thing conservatives do where they misinform their audience about who controls Iranian foreign policy — Krauthammer is afraid that an Obama administration would strike an unwise deal with the government of Iran. But what’s not clear is why Krauthammer believes this. It’s not like the possible contours of a U.S.-Iranian rapprochement are all that mysterious.

The United States has various problems with current Iranian policy (their nuclear activities and their support for Hamas and Hezbollah primarily) and we’ve undertaken various kinds of sanctions against them and threatened to overthrow their government. A deal with Iran would involve them modifying some of their policies, and us relaxing some of our coercive measures. Krauthammer’s paranoid fantasies about Obama somehow selling Israel down the river to curry favor with Iran have nothing to do with it — why would Obama make an offer like that? Why would Iran even be interested in an offer like that?

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He Does it for a Reason

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Spencer Ackerman notes that George W. Bush is once again lying about the basic nature of the situation in Iraq. He’d like us to believe that what’s primarily happening in Iraq is that the U.S. is fighting an “enemy,” that the enemy is predominantly composed of al-Qaeda members, and that it’s likely that a U.S. withdrawal would lead to some kind of al-Qaeda takeover in Iraq that leads to a terrorist attack on the American homeland. There are various people I respect who, wrongly, believe that staying in Iraq is a good idea. But nobody with a shred of honesty or intelligence believes in this line of reasoning that the president likes to endorse.

One thing I’ve been saying as I talk about Heads in the Sand is that liberals should take the fact of Bush’s constant lying a bit more seriously. The administration wouldn’t have gone out of its way to make such a dishonest presentation of the case for invading Iraq if they had really believed that they thought opposition to a doctrine of preventive war was politically untenable. Similarly, if the Bush administration thought withdrawal from Iraq was a political loser, they’d be happy to make an honest case for staying.

But they think, correctly, that an honest case for staying would be a huge political loser. Now just because the honest case would be a losing one, doesn’t mean the GOP will lose with their dishonest one. But it does mean that the key to winning the debate is to expose the dishonest argument for what it is, which means putting forth a clear alternative and expressing in no uncertain terms how outrageous it is that Bush and McCain want more and more Americans to fight and die on a lie.

DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Miguel A. Contreras, U.S. Navy

Fighting Them Over Here

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Yesterday, the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg welcomed President Bush as the guest speaker for the Division Review ceremony, marking the end of All American Week. Predictably, the most unpopular president in American history used his speech to the troops and their families as another opportunity to buttress his legacy and defend the disastrous decision to invade Iraq by — what else? — waving the bloody shirt of 9/11.

VetVoice’s Rock Richard, himself a member of the 82nd Airborne, attended the ceremony and found the president’s remarks extremely inappropriate. “Six and a half years after the September 11th attacks,” Richard writes, and “the President is still linking those attacks to Iraq and Iraq to Osama bin Laden…This is just too ridiculous“:

Given the opportunity to thank honorable men and women for their service to their country, the President, using a captive back drop of American Soldiers seized the opportunity to make political demands of the Senate, make ridiculous errant arguments for our entry to the Iraq war, and link Iraq to Osama bin Laden and the September 11th attacks. I must say, in my entire career, of all the military functions I’ve attended, not a single one has disgusted me as much as I was today when President Bush finally ended his remarks.

Among the various discredited claims which the president continued to indulge is the idea that, by invading Iraq, the United States has “taken the battle to the terrorists abroad — so we do not have to face them here at home.”

It is far past time that the president and his supporters abandoned this ridiculous and reprehensible talking point. First, and most obviously, because it’s been long established that “the terrorists” weren’t in Iraq in any real sense until after the U.S. invaded and created the chaos which “the terrorists” subsequently exploited. Secondly, and more profoundly, “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here” is simply another way of saying that America has chosen to turn the towns, streets and homes of Iraq into battlefields, to use the Iraqi people themselves as bait for “the terrorists” and as cannon fodder in an illusory “war on terror.”

President Bush ‘Strongly Opposes’ 0.5 Percent Increase In Military Pay Because It ‘Is Unnecessary’

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Yesterday, the House passed the Defense Authorization bill, which prescribes spending amounts for the military activities.

The bill includes a section to raise the pay for the soldiers by 3.9 percent – an increase of 0.5 percent over the Bush administration’s request. In a “Statement of Administration Policy” released yesterday, the White House asserts that it “strongly opposes” the pay increase authorized by Congress:

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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that the 0.5 percent increase in troop pay would mean spending just an extra $324 million in 2009:

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At the same time it is strongly opposing a slight increase in pay for the troops, the Bush administration is asking for hundreds of billions more for war. To put it in all in context, the White House wants $165 billion to continue fighting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars this year, but refuses to spend 0.2 percent of that amount ($324 million) to provide the troops a slight pay raise.

Despite his opposition to a pay increase, President Bush continues to demagogue the issue of support for the troops, telling soldiers at Ft. Drum yesterday that Congress is to blame for not having passed “a responsible war funding bill.” Of course, he didn’t tell that troops that by “responsible,” he means he wants a bill that gives them less pay.

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National Suicide

Jeff Goldberg deems this dimwitted column arguing that Muslims have a proclivity for “national suicide” to be convincing. In fact, as Farley and Drum argue it’s silly. In particular, anyone who really thinks that Saddam Hussein “could have avoided war and conquest by allowing UN inspectors to search for (the apparently non-existent) weapons of mass destruction wherever they wanted” is so far out of touch with reality that you’d have to worry he was the delusional fanatic with whom no compromise is possible.

Beyond that, all these efforts to convince people that the Iranian leadership is longing for its own destruction are based, it seems to me, on trying to get people to forget that the Iranian Revolution is almost thirty years old. Sure, in 1981 we might have needed to guess about whether or not the revolutionary leadership was suicidal and self-destructive, but surely the fact that they’ve never chosen martyrdom over survival over the past several decades is dispositive here.

Anyways, check out this column.

McCain Willing To Grant Telecoms Immunity After They Say They’re Sorry

ap080520025240.jpg In a new interview with Wired, Chuck Fish, a full-time lawyer for Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) campaign, says that the senator opposes immunity for telecoms that aided the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program — unless they first offer a heartfelt apology for their actions:

As president, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain would not support immunity for the telecoms that aided the Bush administration’s warrantless spying program, unless there were revealing Congressional hearings and heartfelt repentance from those telephone and internet companies, a campaign surrogate said Wednesday. [...]

“First, we need to be explicit we are not talking about granting indulgences,” Fish said, clarifying that he meant forgiveness must be matched with repentance.

Basically, McCain wants to give telecoms nothing more than a slap on the wrist. If they publicly say they’re very sorry for what they did, all can be forgiven.

The telecoms have not yet offered the American public any apologies, and it doesn’t seem like they’re doing any repenting. Yet McCain has already voted for immunity. In fact, in February he said it was “disgraceful” that Congress had not yet approved a bill expanding the Bush administration’s wiretapping powers and granting immunity to telecoms:

Isn’t it embarrassing — worse than embarrassing — when the Congress and the House of Representatives of the United States of America goes out on recess, when we have not addressed this incredible threat of the intelligence capabilities of this country to monitor the communications of bad people? It’s disgraceful. It’s disgraceful!

In the interview with Wired, Fish acknowledged McCain’s pro-immunity votes, saying that they were “complicated.” In reality, it’s not that complicated: McCain is willing to give telecoms immunity with or without any repentance and congressional hearings.

(HT: mcjoan)

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Shortchanging Peacekeeping

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The kind of military operation with the best track record of actually delivering humanitarian results is traditional, more-or-less consensual blue helmet U.N. peacekeeping operations where the presence of a third-party force can help parties who want to make peace overcome problems of distrust and so forth. Naturally, this kind of work is perpetually slighted by the kind of folks who are only interested in helping foreigners through the mechanism of killing foreigners. Naturally, President Bush decided to underfund these missions because, hey, why help people when you could spend the money on tax cuts for hedge fund managers and an endless war in Iraq instead?

But at the time, the White House line was that the funds would be requested in a future emergency supplemental. Except the supplemental request came out yesterday and the money’s not there. Justin Rood explains the whole thing but to make a long story short, Liberia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Sudan, and Cote D’Ivoire are all screwed. But a humanitarian policy fiasco that isn’t also an opportunity to sing hosannas to unilateral militarism or to try to convince people that if only it weren’t for that damn international law we wouldn’t have any problems won’t get covered at all in the punditocracy.

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Hagee and the Jews

Now that John McCain’s decided he’s through with John Hagee, what about his friends in the “pro-Israel” community at AIPAC and elsewhere. I’ve always wondered how a man whose view of his own policy prescriptions is that they’ll lead to the destruction of Israel can count as “pro-Israel” but I suppose by the perverse logic some Jewish leaders apply, anyone who supports killing some Muslims somewhere must be a friend to our people. They started J Street to provide a home for those of us who are tired of that sort of thing, so check it out if you fit the bill.

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A Job Well Done

In my view, there’s no American interest in who controls which corner in Sadr City, but it’s always good to see fewer people dying. Apparently what it took to stop the situation where people kill each other was for the United States to stand aside:

Sadrist leaders said they had demanded that American soldiers remain on the sidelines of the military incursion.

“We stressed that the occupation forces do not come in,” said Selman al-Freiji, a senior Sadrist leader in Baghdad. “We welcome the entrance of Iraqi troops.”

U.S. officials have said they were happy to let Iraqi troops take the lead. “It is heartening to see Iraqi security forces operating peacefully while enforcing the rule of law,” Capt. Gordon J. Delcambre, a U.S. military spokesman said in an e-mail.

And you know what, it is heartening the see! So how about we take some troops out of Iraq, then some more, and then some more, until there are none left? It seemed to me back in late 2004 that the looming elections in January 2005 would be a good opportunity to declare victory and go home on a relatively upbeat note. Instead, the president decided that we needed to stay in order to forestall civil war and ethnic cleansing. Then came several years of civil war and ethnic cleansing. Now we’re looking at another spate of good news. So why not take the opportunity to leave?

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Sistani Says Resistance Against U.S. Forces Is ‘Permissible’

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The AP reports that Iraq’s Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has been issuing religious edicts, known as fatwas, “declaring that armed resistance against U.S.-led foreign troops is permissible — a potentially significant shift by a key supporter of the Washington-backed government in Baghdad”:

A senior aide to the prime minister, al-Maliki, said he was not aware of the fatwas, but added that the “rejection of the occupation is a legal and religious principle” and that top Shiite clerics were free to make their own decisions. The aide also spoke on condition of anonymity.

It’s difficult to overstate how essential Sistani’s support has been for the task of rebuilding Iraq, or how quickly the U.S. would lose what little legitimacy it still has there if Sistani were to indicate that U.S. forces were no longer welcome. If this report is accurate, it would indicate that he is leaning in that direction.

This could also represent the final nail in the coffin of the neoconservative fantasy of establishing an enduring military presence in Iraq, from which to project U.S. power throughout the region. The article notes that the shift in Sistani’s position “underlines possible opposition to any agreement by Baghdad to allow a long-term U.S. military foothold in Iraq — part of a deal that is currently under negotiation and could be signed as early as July”:

Al-Sistani’s distaste for the U.S. presence is no secret. In his public fatwas on his Web site, he blames Washington for many of Iraq’s woes.[...]

“(Al-Sistani) rejects the American presence,” [a Sistani representative] told the AP, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment to media. “He believes they (the Americans) will at the end pay a heavy price for the damage they inflicted on Iraq.”

I think it’s possible that Sistani is responding to pressure from Sadrists who condemned him for his silence during the U.S. and Iraqi army siege of Sadr City. It’s also striking (and perhaps suspicious) how closely the language of these edicts appears to accord with what Muqtada al-Sadr himself has advocated and prohibited in terms of resistance to foreign occupiers. Contrary to some reports, Sistani did not advocate the disbanding of the Mahdi Army, but rather simply did not rule on the question, effectively leaving the Mahdi Army intact. While Sistani may regard Sadr as an unruly upstart, Sistani also recognizes that Sadr represents a massive constituency that cannot be ignored.

Cernig has more.

UPDATE: IraqSlogger reports that sources close to Sistani have strongly disputed the AP report.

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Odierno Rejects McCain’s ’100 Years’: No ‘Need’ For Permanent Military Presence In Iraq

In today’s confirmation hearing, Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) asked Gen. Raymond Odierno what the “end point” of U.S. military involvement in Iraq would be. “In military terms, what do you see as the end point in our strategic direction here with respect to our involvement in Iraq?” Webb asked.

Odierno responded that the “end point” would be when Iraq has a “self-reliant government,” a “professionalized security” force, and major political reconciliation. Webb asked what the U.S. presence should be if those conditions are met:

WEBB: Well, what — what is the end point of the United States’ involvement in Iraq? Let’s say that Iraq meets the conditions you just talked about. Should there be a United States military presence in Iraq?

ODIERNO: I think that’s a discussion we would have along several levels. Not only from the MNF-I command or the Central Command level and obviously our civilian leadership to decide what their policy would be in the future toward Iraq.

WEBB: Do you believe that if those conditions are met, there would be a need for the United States military in Iraq?

ODIERNO: I do not. I believe what we would want, though, is to maintain obviously military contacts as we do with many countries over the world.

Watch it:

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Odierno’s statement pours cold water on Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) infamous claim that the U.S. should “maintain a presence” in Iraq, for as much as 100 or 10,000 years. “Fine with me,” McCain says, “as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.”

But as Odierno said today, in the case that those conditions are met (a “big if,” as Max Bergmann notes), the U.S. military does not “need” to keep troops in the country. “That’s a very important clarification,” Webb concluded.

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Appeasement

Interesting exchange between Arlen Specter and Robert Gates:

Gates has, of course, long been on record as favoring a new approach to Iran, but ever since he went to go work for George W. Bush he can’t be sensible too loudly.

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Petraeus ‘Happy To’ Participate In Pentagon Propaganda

Petraeus and BushEmail correspondence from the Pentagon document dump reveals Gen. David Petraeus was “happy to” participate in its “puppet” TV military analyst program in 2005. The “talented” military officer was promoted by President Bush to lieutenant general in 2004, with the public mission of training Iraqi military forces. At the behest of Larry Di Rita, Rumsfeld’s “right-hand man” in the Pentagon, Petraeus took on another, secret mission that year, shaping the public perception of the Iraq War and the key question of whether American troops would be able to come home.

PETRAEUS’S PUBLIC RELATIONS MISSION

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The August 28, 2005 episode of Meet the Press — as Cindy Sheehan was asking to meet with the President in Crawford, Texas — was focused on Iraq, with U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad and a panel of retired generals. The generals were Wesley Clark, Wayne Downing, Barry McCaffrey, and Montgomery Meigs. As the New York Times revealed in its exposé, Downing, McCaffrey, and Meigs all participated in the secret briefing program managed by the Pentagon Public Affairs Office.

Documents released by the Pentagon (pp. 22-30) reveal that Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita wanted to make sure the Meet the Press appearance went as well as possible. Friday afternoon, Di Rita thought of using Petraeus. Bryan Whitman, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, agreed — “Not a bad idea. That is a tough group and as you know have not been very supportive before.” Whitman sent the “thought downrange” in a message to “Dave,” who immediately went into action, calling and emailing the retired generals from Iraq.

Di Rita complained to Petraeus that “some of these retired military analysts are trying to have it both ways” — supporting generals like Petraeus but criticizing the “secdef,” Donald Rumsfeld, and “his supposed bad plans”:
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Petraeus told Di Rita that he was concerned his conversation with McCaffrey didn’t go terribly well:
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Generals on Meet the Press, August 28, 2005Petraeus’s calls on behalf of the Pentagon convinced the analysts on Meet the Press to paint a rosy picture of the training of Iraqi forces — which they believed meant American troops would soon start coming home. McCaffrey said:

Well, Tim, to be honest, I’m reasonably optimistic about this. I talked to General George Casey in country and Dave Petraeus, the guy who’s actually in charge of trying to build the Iraqi security forces.

Meigs told Russert:

And when I ask senior Army officials who are longtime friends who aren’t going to give me a BS answer how we’re doing, “Are we winning or losing?” they’re saying, “We’re winning.”

McCaffrey believed that by August 2006:

You’ll have a huge Iraqi security force out in the field. And you’ll see a drawdown of a third or so of U.S. military forces starting in about another year.

Gen. Downing was even more enthusiastic:

I do think that in another year or 15 months, we’re going to be able to start taking the U.S. forces down somewhat, because I think the Iraqi forces are going to be in strength of about 150,000 of both police and army. So I’m very, very positive. And I’m giving you this without any political motive.

Petraeus failed to train a “huge Iraqi security force” independent of US support, and American forces were not drawn down. Rather, in 2007, President Bush promoted Petraeus to a four-star general in command of the Iraq occupation, directing him to oversee the “surge” — raising troop numbers by more than 20,000. One of Petraeus’s first acts as commander was to meet with the Pentagon’s cadre of military analysts.

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Precedents

Noah Millman is willing to concede that Munich analogies are inappropriate but wants to know “what is the historical model for Obama’s ‘meet with Iran/North Korea/Cuba/Venezuela without preconditions?’” Well, the trouble with trying to find an analogy of any sort that really holds up is simply that the geopolitical circumstance of unipolarity doesn’t have real precedent.

But if you want to talk historical models, I think the best model to look at is just the recent past history of North Korea. At times, we’ve conducted diplomatic talks with the North Koreans. When we’ve done that we’ve made progress. Conservatives, meanwhile, have screamed “appeasement!” and when they got their chance to try isolation they managed to make the situation much, much, much worse. Now, clearly, the Agreed Framework didn’t actually wind up involving a Presidential-level with Kim. But in my view, the current dispute between Obama and Bush/McCain isn’t really about the question of presidential-level meetings. If Bush/McCain were willing to have good-faith, high-level talks with Iran at the Foreign Minister level but had some weird hangup about the idea of a presidential-level meeting, I’d consider that odd but not so pernicious and perhaps justified by the ambiguity as to who the Iranian Head of State is.

But my understanding of what the current debate is really about is that the things Obama has said indicate an interest in vigorously pursuing good-faith negotiations with various countries, whereas conservatives are open to the “you surrender and then we don’t bomb you” model but fundamentally think that it’s not possible to reach agreements with evil regimes so we need to avoid putting ourselves in a position where the other side appears to be making a serious offer.

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Small Differences

Jeff Goldberg, still talking sense about AIPAC and West Bank settlements, is throwing increasing quantities of hysterical accusations at John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt in order to guard his right flank as Max Boot flings hysterical accusations at him. Says Goldberg:

The second point concerns Walt and Mearsheimer: One of their many sins, perhaps one of their bigger sins, was to make impossible an open conversation in the Jewish community about the impact of pro-Israel lobbying. By accusing American Jews of acting against the best interests of their country, they not only made themselves worthy heirs to Father Coughlin and a long list of antique Jew-baiters, they sent us into a defensive crouch.

But of course Walt and Mearsheimer didn’t say that all Jews are acting against the best interests of their country (which would be outrageous) nor did they say that some Jews are acting against the best interests of their country (which would be trivial — Jews disagree about lots of stuff and some of us must be wrong). Rather, they said certain “pro-Israel” institutions, including AIPAC, are harming American interests.

Goldberg, meanwhile, charges AIPAC with preventing the United States from putting any meat on the bones of its policy against Israel’s West Bank settlements. Walt and Mearsheimer agree with this. Goldberg argues that unless Israel removes those settlements, it will increasingly find itself becoming an apartheid-style country where a Jewish minority rules over a disenfranchised Arab and Muslim minority. Walt and Mearsheimer think so, too. The difference is that Goldberg primarily sees this as bad for Israel whereas Walt and Mearsheimer primarily see it as bad for the United States but surely it can be bad for both! And even if not, the disagreement here is about something relatively minor with both sides agreeing that the American failure to apply pressure is a bad thing, and both sides pointing the finger at AIPAC.

Surely there should be room for some difference of interpretation here that doesn’t involve either party to the dispute being motivated by racial hatreds.

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