Trump ally defended claims of massive voter fraud on CNN. It did not go well.

The Kansas Secretary of State had no new information to offer.

CREDIT: Screenshot via Twitter/Kris Kobach
CREDIT: Screenshot via Twitter/Kris Kobach

During his rounds on the Sunday morning political shows, White House Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller defended President Trump’s latest claims of massive voter fraud in New Hampshire. He told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos to ask Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) for more evidence of voter fraud, so that’s exactly what CNN did on Monday. It didn’t go well for Kobach.

Host Kate Bolduan hammered Kobach for evidence to support Trump’s claims that thousands of people were bused from Massachusetts into New Hampshire to vote illegally. He explained that there were 6,000 people who registered to vote on Election Day with another state’s driver’s licenses — including 3,000 with Massachusetts licenses — but provided no evidence that they were not New Hampshire residents when they registered.

But Bolduan pointed out that this isn’t evidence of voter fraud and that even being registered in more than one state isn’t a crime so long as those voters only vote in one state. “Where is the evidence of this widespread rampant millions of people voting? If it had happened, why haven’t we seen it, secretary?” All Kobach could offer was nine cases from his home state of Kansas — only six of which have led to guilty pleas. “Six cases does not widespread rampant voter fraud make,” Bolduan pressed.

“You don’t have the evidence yet, Mr. Secretary,” she said, pointing out that analysis of those 6,000 voters won’t be completed until the end of the month. Kobach insisted, “We will know at the end of the month what percentage of those 6,000 are cases of people who do not actually reside in New Hampshire.”

“Then let us continue this conversation in one month,” Bolduan said, ending the interview.

Shortly after the interview, Kobach took to Twitter to complain that CNN was biased against him:

CNN’s Brian Stelter countered that Kobach was misreading the chyron, as it was referring to Miller’s comments on Sunday, not his comments in the interview. Despite how Kobach courted Trump during the transition, he is not a Trump aide.


Earlier in the day, Kobach told Fox and Friends that he had personally spoken with President Trump about the problem of voter fraud. “Many of the people in Kansas have been voting in multiple elections we have found,” he said in that interview — “many” referring to the aforementioned six cases out of 1,184,399 votes cast in Kansas.

As the Washington Post’s Philip Bump uncovered, the only two stories of voter fraud arrests in New Hampshire over the past decade were both about New Hampshire citizens — one who voted in Salem despite being from Manchester, and one who ran for state representative in a district he no longer lived in. That’s it. There is no evidence that there’s ever been votes bused in from Massachusetts, let alone the thousands Trump claims.

UPDATE: Kobach did not fare much better in an appearance Monday with Fox News’ Neil Cavuto. Cavuto accused him of chasing a ghost and at one point said, “ I don’t think you believe it. I think you’re smart at what you do and I think you find the whole too incredible to be believed.”